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One day in the spring of 2020, Ziggy, as you hear here, has just gotten off work.

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In addition to teaching yoga and tantra, he is still doing some renovation projects here.

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Now he is sitting on the roof of one of the houses he works in, enjoying the view. Suddenly his phone rings.

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Ziggy knows that Ashley left the yoga school at some point and went home to Australia.

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She wrote to him in a message, but she didn't say why,

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since the women have made promises not to talk about it.

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And I'm in this position where I am, what do I do with it?

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Now the only question is where it puts him.

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Because what is he supposed to do now?

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What does he do with the last years of his life,

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where he has only become more and more involved in the yoga school.

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He even has a new girlfriend at school.

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He has moved to Sweden to join Natha there, and is well into planning his future

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His first thought is that he must use this as an opportunity to make change

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I'm still in this wild belief

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that we can get enough critical mass from the following of the school,

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and present it to the council, and propose some changes. It is a great opportunity to make this leaf,

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There are still so many good and loving people in the yoga movement,

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who he is sure will be as surprised as he is by everything Ashley has experienced.

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But it quickly becomes clear to Ziggy that this fight is not easy.

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And Natha's reaction to criticism opens up a whole new aspect of this now extensive story.

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Namely, the fusion between spirituality and conspiracy theory.

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You are listening to The Road to Paradise

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from DR Documentary.

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My name is Merle Barrett.

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Episode 5 The Conspiracy.

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After Ziggy hears Ashley recount her traumatic experience in Paris,

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he reaches out to some of the teachers who have been at the school the longest.

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Also Adina Stoian.

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To make them aware,

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that there is a problem.

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And to get some answers.

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I'd already spoken to

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Adina, several other

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senior teachers by this stage.

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The explanations that I'm getting is just

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like, wow, you know, this is just

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such a small drop in the ocean. How are you truly 

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believe these stories are

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after you've heard all these amazing accounts of interactions?

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That is not a good explanation for why the other cases are ignored.

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Ziggy also says that other women have started contacting him about their experiences in Paris.

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I'm getting more and more testimonies, and more women are reaching out to me,

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because there's always someone who's stupid enough to go,

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Wait, what is this? In Natha there is a group on a messaging service where members can communicate with each other.

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One day Ziggy writes that he needs to share something that has been bothering him for a long time.

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He describes how a close friend recently had

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a terrible experience when she

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was on her way to meet the guru.

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This also applies to other women,

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he writes, adding that he would like

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want to talk about these things in a

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more private forum, if anyone

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wants to.

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When the answers start to trickle in, he is sitting in his car on his way across the Øresund Bridge.

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I am driving over the bridge from Malmö to Denmark.

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When I read the notifications that pop up on my phone,

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teachers reaching out to me

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We have also seen the reactions he gets in the message group.

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Some of them come from two teachers from Natha in Denmark.

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I have asked my colleagues to read a few of the messages aloud in a Danish translation.

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These accusations are nothing but lies. The malicious accusations of abusive behavior that you have chosen to pass on are by no means new.

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Despite negative press and psychological warfare, as well as several physical attempts to get rid of him,

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Griegs teachings live on in thousands of people today.

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He deserves blessings for the great gifts he has bestowed upon us all.

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I think a bit more humility would be in order before making such a criticism.

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Do you really think that Grieg,

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who has given 28 lectures

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about the sublime divine Eros,

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and hundreds of other lectures

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and conferences on the sublime

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sublime eroticism, should have

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any desire to demonstrate

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the opposite of what he teaches,

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and that we all follow? I'm sorry to say,

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but the attitude you display is marked

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of error and double standards.

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Things went from bad

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to worse from that moment on.

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Ziggy's hope,

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that the teachers at Natha will listen,

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is getting smaller and smaller.

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Instead, he begins to think,

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that they live in their own reality.

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And it's exactly the same analysis,

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Andrea has, on the way

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Natha handles the criticism.

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She herself was in Paris twice.

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The first time was a good experience,

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she says.

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But the second time she didn't want to go. She calls it a culture of silence. Instead of receiving support, her impression is that women are suppressed when they have a negative experience in Paris. Over time, there have been several stories in the media where former members of Natha have raised various forms of criticism of the yoga school.

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Several of the sources my colleagues and I speak with have been part of Natha while that criticism has been raised.

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Therefore, they have also seen from the inside how Natha has reacted.

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The school's reaction, the teachers' reaction

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is such that both of them laugh

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society, that it is yet another way that they

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trying to hide their

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agenda to bring us down,

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because they know that we help people.

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And that's because it's a witch's house.

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There is nothing at all in

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they accuse.

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Several people say that conspiracy theories

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takes up a lot of space.

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Especially when it comes to the outside world

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perspective on the yoga movement.

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It could be something like that

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the mass media and

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The government is doing us harm.

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It's such a prank, such paranoia,

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which is very unpleasant

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to live in. It does

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everyone and everyone an enemy.

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Suddenly, things start happening around the Freemasons,

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and Mihai cultivates a story that

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we are being monitored by Freemasons who just

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is taking place.

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It stuck completely.

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off during corona.

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They pronounce

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positive about Trump

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and vaccine resistance in relation to

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to corona, and question the way the media and the government act and control us and lie.

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It's not just former members of Natha who talk about conspiracy theories. We've also found several videos where Mihaly Stoian directly talks about it,

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that society is ruled by secret societies like the Freemasons.

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These are videos that were previously open on Mihai Stoian's YouTube channel, but are no longer.

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They were made back in 2009. 

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For almost ten years I have been looking at conspiracy theories and related phenomena,

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like misinformation and propaganda and manipulation and such phenomena.

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The person you can hear here is Rikke Albert Peters.

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She is a PhD in the history of ideas and an associate professor at the history lab at UCL Business Academy and University College.

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We want to know what she thinks about Natha,

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and about the conspiracy theories that abound at the yoga school and in several of Natha and Mihai Stoian's videos.

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My impression is that it's not really that surprising,

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what you can find in many of Natha's videos compared to,

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what one could also find in others.

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And now we think broadly within the entire New Age community,

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and in fact also within new religious movements,

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such as Scientology, we encounter this mindset again.

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So we have this mantra that it's about taking control of your own mind,

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and become, what should I say, my own philosopher,

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or develop your own outlook on life and spiritual practices,

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without being influenced by what people in mainstream society might think.

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The next step in that argument is to also say,

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that one must always be vigilant and careful,

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because mainstream society deliberately manipulates and hides

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and do everything they can to

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make sure people don't come

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to be able to think for themselves and step in

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on such a spiritual development. So therefore

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You have to be very, per se,

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very suspicious of everything,

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what comes outside

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the movement.

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When Rikke Albert Peters says that she is not surprised by the conspiracy theory thinking found in Natha,

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then it's because Natha is not alone.

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They are not the only spiritual group where conspiracy theories have gained traction.

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This falls under the phenomenon that many researchers would refer to as conspirituality.

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But as the term says, it's a combination of conspiracy theories,

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So conspiracy theory, and then some form of spiritual practice.

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And that simply denotes this phenomenon that you see a fusion between,

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What can we say, very broadly alternative beliefs and then downright conspiracy theories.

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We contact Natha several times to get an interview.

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But they didn't want to participate.

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However, we do get some written responses back from them.

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In the first response, which we received back in 2024, there is a long list of links to researchers and to articles at the bottom,

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who support the yoga movement's worldview, where they are persecuted.

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A name comes up again.

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Massimo Introvine.

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Our

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Swedish colleagues have previously

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2024 been on a

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conference at Jødeborg University,

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where exactly Massimo

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Introvine was invited.

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The conference takes place at the Department of Religious Studies,

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and several foreign guests are invited

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to a special panel for

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to talk about the yoga movement.

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Now it will be

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Massimo Introvine

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welcomed.

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He is a sociologist and has founded a research center, Cessnur in Italy, which deals with new religious groups.

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The organizer says that Introvine doesn't need an introduction at all.

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He's obviously a bit of a celebrity in this context.

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Now he speaks. 

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When you teaches eroticism and mix it with religion, you make enemies fast, Introvine say.

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He uses the term Misa for the movement,

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just to make this story a little more complicated in terms of names and concepts. 

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But that's really all,

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Bivolaru called the movement in Romania

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right at the beginning.

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Therefore, many others also use

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the collective term.

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But it's the same thing we're talking about.

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When the conference is held,

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the guru Bivolaru has sat

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in prison for over eight months.

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He is charged with human trafficking, kidnapping and rape.

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According to his lawyer, it is not possible for Bivolaru to comment.

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The panel also includes a person who is an active member of the yoga movement.

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She says that the yoga movement is persecuted.

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Among those present is Tove Olsson,

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PhD student in religious studies, whom we have also spoken to previously.

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The more she hears, the more puzzled she becomes.

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I think it gets even a little weirder the more I listen to it.

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Because it's really known that it's not such a nuanced picture.

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There is no critical account of Misa.

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She thinks it's thought-provoking.

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Is it only Misa's perspective that gets space?

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Without any critical counter-questions whatsoever.

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I'm a bit stunned afterwards, quite simply.

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Thank you for being here. Thank you.

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When we contact Gothenburg University with some questions,

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We'll get a representative.

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He says,

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that he didn't know about

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the case in France when they held

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the conference, but that it

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in the hindsight

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would have been good with more

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perspectives.

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After the conference

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My Swedish colleagues talk to Massimo Introvine over several rounds.

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Hello?

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He is the most prominent researcher in relation to the yoga movement,

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so we would like to hear a little more about what he thinks about the latest accusations against Bivolaru.

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He explains that there are countless ways in which men and women persuade the opposite sex to sleep with them. Just because a particular form of teaching is strange or unfamiliar,

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"It doesn't mean it's a cover for committing abuse," says Introvine.

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In 2025, Introvine is also a signatory of a humanitarian appeal,

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where he and others argue,

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that Mihai and Adina-Stoian should be released for health reasons.

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One of the other signatories is the woman who

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who also sat on the panel with Introvine at the University of Gothenburg.

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In addition to being an active member of the yoga movement, she is also the leader of a human rights organization,

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It's called Sorteria International.

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Sorteria has an address in Denmark and can be found in the EU's Transparency Register.

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This means that they have officially stated that they work with EU-related advocacy.

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On their website, Sorteria writes that they work to protect the human rights of spiritual practitioners.

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We cannot read what their relationship to Natha or Misa is,

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but we run through the gallery of people,

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we can see that several people from Natha are also or have been part of Soteria.

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Among others, Mihai Stoian.

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Ziggy says that for a year he has been trying to shout and create a change in Natha.

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This applies to both Danish and Swedish schools.

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But at some point he gives up.

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He has gone from being on a spiritual path that made sense.

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He had a girlfriend, a dog of choice, a home, lots of friends.

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Now he no longer has a place to live.

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While he looks for a new place, he sleeps in his car.

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The corona pandemic is raging, so he can't just travel away.

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On top of all that, something happens one night that really makes his world fall apart.

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He talks to another woman from the yoga school.

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Someone he has had a good relationship with.

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Suddenly, to Ziggy's great surprise, she tells him that she has also been to Paris.

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And that, according to her, the guru raped her.

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It broke me.

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My mental state is starting to get affected.

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The woman is one of those who later gives her testimony to the police. 

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He decides that he must leave the yoga community.

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After six years.

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And go back to his home country Australia.

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And he's not the only one.

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Some leave Natha because they find that specific exercises or retreats become too transgressive.

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It happens to Sofie.

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After what she describes as a transcendent experience at Paradis Vækcenter in Stortorø,

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After much and long consideration, she stops her involvement in the school.

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I remember it as I actually decide to completely cut it out.

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That is, to distance yourself.

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I stop going my yoga courses, and I'm in the process of trying to understand and sort through some of the things I've been told.

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And some of those things are quite intrusive for a couple of years afterwards. When after... Others say they leave school after talking to women who tell of abuse committed by the guru in Paris.

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Others may have personal reasons for leaving the environment.

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And it's not just Ziggy who experiences being shamed.

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There has also been criticism of Natha in the media here in the past.

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One of those who has led the way with this criticism is former member of Natha and sociologist Karsten.

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He first spoke out back in 2009.

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Here he tells how Natha is not at all the innocent yoga center they pretend to be.

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But in reality a sect

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And then people start writing to me about what I'm up to.

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After Carsten and others have raised criticism in the media,

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Michael Støyen gives a lecture

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about Carsten.

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Karsten is a notorious liar.

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We have also found the lecture, which was once on Mihai Stoian's YouTube channel.

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And what is very special about that lecture is that here Mihai tells everything he knows about me. What one should ask is during the period I have been in Natha,

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There he has been both my teacher and my master.

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So I've told him about all my personal things and other things.

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 At the same time, there has been a very, very strong norm,

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that you should not make any choices without consulting Mihai first. 

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So he has both in the form of being

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a teacher master

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received all personal information about me,

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and then at the same time in the form of

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to be the sect leader that 

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owns to all information.

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That's the only way out, And what he uses that lecture for is to tell everything.

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And then only with the angle that says I'm demonic and things like that.

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But even though Carsten and Ziggy experience being embarrassed, that's actually not the worst thing about it all, they say.

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Because when they and other members of the movement, after hard consideration, choose to leave the school,

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Yes, they also leave behind what for many has been their entire life for many years.

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They tear away their otherwise firm position, cutting ties to their social life.

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And some are also left without housing, without income.

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I feel like I'm standing on a cliff, and then something comes at me, leaving me with only one choice up there.

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And that's how I feel. I just jump into it.

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And suddenly they are also left without the most essential thing for them.

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Their faith.

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Their spiritual path.

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You also have to consider that my entire spiritual identity is built around this.

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So what do they do now?

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Some are trying to find their old selves again,

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while others try to have their experiences brought to the highest place,

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namely the courts.

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They want the guru and those involved to be held accountable.

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Natha has sent us a written response.

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Regarding Natha's handling of internal criticism, they write that they are very sad to hear that there are former students who have had a bad experience,

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and the consequences it has had.

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They strongly oppose any form of abuse,

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abuse of power and manipulation,

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and welcomes any kind of thoughtful and relevant criticism of the yoga school.

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Natha does not directly respond to the accusations of spreading conspiracy theories.

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But they write that they do not belong to any religious community,

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have no political agenda and follow Danish legislation in all their activities.

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DR has contacted Mihai and Adina Stoian's lawyer and presented our sources' statements about them.

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But we have not received any answer to that. Danish texts by Jesper Buhl Scandinavian Text Service 2018