WEBVTT 00:00:04.940 --> 00:00:07.321 You can find all the episodes of 00:00:07.321 --> 00:00:08.061 this podcast in the 00:00:08.061 --> 00:00:10.101 ARD audio library and everywhere 00:00:10.101 --> 00:00:11.700 there are podcasts. 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:16.251 Romania on the Black 00:00:16.251 --> 00:00:20.070 Sea coast in late summer 2021. 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:23.820 Nathalie remembered it. 00:00:24.180 --> 00:00:25.341 She sits on the back 00:00:25.341 --> 00:00:27.920 seat of a silver minivan. 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:30.661 It’s close here, because with 00:00:30.661 --> 00:00:32.141 her there are five other women 00:00:32.141 --> 00:00:33.241 in the car. 00:00:33.241 --> 00:00:34.941 Everyone is young in their 00:00:34.941 --> 00:00:37.461 twenties, everyone is pretty 00:00:37.461 --> 00:00:39.760 and everyone is excited. 00:00:40.040 --> 00:00:41.921 Some other girls also 00:00:41.921 --> 00:00:43.421 went with me. 00:00:43.940 --> 00:00:45.781 This group dynamic helped 00:00:45.781 --> 00:00:49.180 her not to completely out. 00:00:51.850 --> 00:00:53.791 You are on the way to Paris 00:00:53.791 --> 00:00:55.530 or somewhere nearby. 00:00:55.530 --> 00:00:57.330 Nathalie does not know it. 00:00:57.330 --> 00:00:58.711 She only knows that they 00:00:58.711 --> 00:01:00.451 will go to him, where 00:01:00.451 --> 00:01:01.431 he stops. 00:01:01.431 --> 00:01:04.910 Grieg, your spiritual teacher, your 00:01:05.010 --> 00:01:06.510 guru. 00:01:10.220 --> 00:01:12.340 I was in the car for two days, without 00:01:12.340 --> 00:01:13.980 a break. 00:01:13.980 --> 00:01:15.380 Not a hotel, but two 00:01:15.380 --> 00:01:17.960 days in the car. 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.660 Somehow six girls. 00:01:22.380 --> 00:01:25.140 They cross the French border. 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:27.000 And then, just before Paris, 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.480 the car slows down, bends 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:29.041 into a supermarket 00:01:29.041 --> 00:01:31.960 parking lot and stops. 00:01:33.870 --> 00:01:35.170 Everybody goes up. 00:01:35.170 --> 00:01:37.810 Nathalie stretches through, 00:01:37.810 --> 00:01:39.690 breathes in fresh air, looks 00:01:39.690 --> 00:01:41.511 into the noon sun and the 00:01:41.511 --> 00:01:44.090 everyday hustle around her. 00:01:44.330 --> 00:01:45.791 People who drive shopping 00:01:45.791 --> 00:01:47.291 cars. 00:01:47.490 --> 00:01:48.631 There were other cars, there 00:01:48.631 --> 00:01:50.131 were other people. 00:01:50.670 --> 00:01:53.051 It wasn’t super cuddly somewhere 00:01:53.051 --> 00:01:54.710 in the corner. 00:01:54.710 --> 00:01:57.090 It was pretty in the middle. 00:02:00.320 --> 00:02:01.681 It will be really 00:02:01.681 --> 00:02:03.960 blunt in a few minutes. 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:05.861 Now a man comes straight 00:02:05.861 --> 00:02:08.180 to Natalis group. 00:02:08.260 --> 00:02:09.961 He is about 40, speaks Romanian 00:02:09.961 --> 00:02:13.260 and gives them handwriting. 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.800 Let them get into his car. 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:17.300 Change of vehicle. 00:02:17.980 --> 00:02:19.381 What is happening now, Natalie 00:02:19.381 --> 00:02:20.881 knows only from television, 00:02:20.881 --> 00:02:23.040 from Crimis. 00:02:23.220 --> 00:02:24.621 The Romanian gives women in the 00:02:24.621 --> 00:02:26.941 car hats, fisherman hats with 00:02:26.941 --> 00:02:28.441 wide cramps. 00:02:28.620 --> 00:02:30.240 That was for me then, 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.701 so when they put on these 00:02:31.701 --> 00:02:32.941 glasses with the hat and 00:02:32.941 --> 00:02:34.701 so on, then it was real, 00:02:34.701 --> 00:02:35.880 that was difficult. 00:02:35.880 --> 00:02:36.701 That was the first time 00:02:36.701 --> 00:02:37.441 I really thought so, 00:02:37.441 --> 00:02:40.640 boah, now I really fear. 00:02:43.250 --> 00:02:45.190 When everyone takes off their 00:02:45.190 --> 00:02:47.230 hats, they get sunglasses. 00:02:47.230 --> 00:02:48.951 Nathalie puts her on, then everything 00:02:48.951 --> 00:02:49.991 around her becomes black, 00:02:49.991 --> 00:02:51.551 because the glasses are glued 00:02:51.551 --> 00:02:53.030 inside. 00:02:53.030 --> 00:02:53.831 Women should not be 00:02:53.831 --> 00:02:55.511 recognized and not see 00:02:55.511 --> 00:02:56.611 themselves where they 00:02:56.611 --> 00:02:57.810 are taken. 00:02:57.810 --> 00:03:01.551 It was really so 00:03:01.551 --> 00:03:03.491 traffic-standard, as you see 00:03:03.491 --> 00:03:04.930 it in the movie. 00:03:04.930 --> 00:03:06.370 So that was angry. 00:03:06.370 --> 00:03:07.630 That was angry. 00:03:07.630 --> 00:03:08.331 Because I felt like that 00:03:08.331 --> 00:03:11.370 then, now it’s so real. 00:03:11.870 --> 00:03:14.330 It continues to Paris. 00:03:14.350 --> 00:03:16.990 Or go out to the districts? 00:03:17.310 --> 00:03:18.710 Nathalie does not know. 00:03:18.710 --> 00:03:20.691 Behind her glasses she can’t see 00:03:20.691 --> 00:03:22.191 anything. 00:03:25.540 --> 00:03:26.921 What does Nathalie 00:03:26.921 --> 00:03:27.901 remember? 00:03:27.901 --> 00:03:31.261 To a flat in Paris, to many 00:03:31.261 --> 00:03:32.761 naked women in a small 00:03:32.761 --> 00:03:35.601 room, to the smell of perfume 00:03:35.601 --> 00:03:38.020 and sweaty bodies. 00:03:39.290 --> 00:03:40.431 She still remembers 00:03:40.431 --> 00:03:43.130 that moment very well. 00:03:43.230 --> 00:03:43.970 Somewhere 00:03:43.970 --> 00:03:45.691 else, in his apartment. 00:03:45.691 --> 00:03:47.250 00:03:47.450 --> 00:03:48.911 As she stands there, in a narrow 00:03:48.911 --> 00:03:50.711 corridor and waiting 00:03:50.711 --> 00:03:53.050 at his door. 00:03:53.250 --> 00:03:56.070 Nathalie is naked and she is trembling. 00:03:56.070 --> 00:03:58.870 Not from cold, but from fear, 00:03:58.870 --> 00:04:02.411 but then, I stopped so 00:04:02.411 --> 00:04:03.750 by the motto, no, that’s now 00:04:03.750 --> 00:04:04.591 because I’m excited, because 00:04:04.591 --> 00:04:05.971 it’s my guru and 00:04:05.971 --> 00:04:07.550 so on. 00:04:07.710 --> 00:04:08.651 So then it really went off that 00:04:08.651 --> 00:04:09.851 you really keep yourself somehow 00:04:09.851 --> 00:04:10.971 hypnotized so 00:04:10.971 --> 00:04:15.471 a little, so that you 00:04:15.471 --> 00:04:17.231 don’t completely out of 00:04:17.231 --> 00:04:18.810 that way. 00:04:20.300 --> 00:04:22.520 Then he opens her door. 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.200 Natha Guru, Grieg 00:04:25.880 --> 00:04:27.561 Over his naked body 00:04:27.561 --> 00:04:29.621 he threw a swimsuit. 00:04:29.621 --> 00:04:32.220 With Lila. 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:34.140 Otherwise, much is known about him. 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:36.240 His skin, his chest hair, his 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.600 head hair, his full beard. 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:39.461 I didn’t really 00:04:39.461 --> 00:04:42.221 expect him to look 00:04:42.221 --> 00:04:43.721 so old. 00:04:43.960 --> 00:04:45.761 This is really a real 00:04:45.761 --> 00:04:47.600 man somehow. 00:04:47.940 --> 00:04:50.760 Grieg is old. almost 70. 00:04:51.100 --> 00:04:52.961 He has thick tear bags under 00:04:52.961 --> 00:04:54.040 his eyes. 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:55.561 A few hair strips fall over 00:04:55.561 --> 00:04:57.621 his curly forehead. 00:04:57.621 --> 00:05:00.341 Grieg smiles at Nathalie and 00:05:00.341 --> 00:05:01.921 Nathalie smiles back. 00:05:01.921 --> 00:05:04.940 Okay, yes, this is my guru, 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.220 this is my guru, yay. 00:05:07.640 --> 00:05:09.740 And it’s so right, yes, it’ 00:05:09.740 --> 00:05:11.220 s just that pressure that’s being 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:12.580 inflated into you, so 00:05:12.580 --> 00:05:13.400 that’s your guru. 00:05:13.400 --> 00:05:14.541 And this is a mega event 00:05:14.541 --> 00:05:16.780 now, so, that’s yours, that’ 00:05:17.320 --> 00:05:18.421 s changing your life here 00:05:18.421 --> 00:05:19.921 right now. 00:05:20.140 --> 00:05:21.641 Grieg opens Nathalie’s door 00:05:21.641 --> 00:05:22.841 to his bedroom and 00:05:22.841 --> 00:05:25.480 wraps Nathalie in. 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.001 Nathalie looks at him. 00:05:27.001 --> 00:05:29.240 Does she really do it? 00:05:29.620 --> 00:05:31.061 Should she go in and sleep 00:05:31.061 --> 00:05:32.561 with her guru? 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:34.261 And so to be introduced 00:05:34.261 --> 00:05:35.421 to the greatest mysteries 00:05:35.421 --> 00:05:36.921 of Tantra? 00:05:37.820 --> 00:05:39.041 Or should she say I 00:05:39.041 --> 00:05:40.620 thought differently? 00:05:40.820 --> 00:05:42.420 Just to reverse? 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.040 This is a soul captain. 00:05:54.980 --> 00:05:57.400 Season 4 – Toxic Tantra. 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.181 A podcast by Christiane Havranek 00:06:00.181 --> 00:06:01.480 and me, Katja 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:02.980 Peisen-Petersen. 00:06:05.340 --> 00:06:08.540 Follow one. Yoga for beginners. 00:06:12.940 --> 00:06:14.641 What Natalie has experienced 00:06:14.641 --> 00:06:16.761 there in Paris, the traffic bonding 00:06:16.761 --> 00:06:18.640 with her eyes to her guru who 00:06:18.640 --> 00:06:19.881 asks her naked into his room, 00:06:19.881 --> 00:06:22.460 that sounds like thriller. 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:22.801 It 00:06:22.801 --> 00:06:23.861 sounds like it has 00:06:23.861 --> 00:06:26.040 nothing to do with yoga. 00:06:26.500 --> 00:06:28.401 But does it, because there How 00:06:28.401 --> 00:06:29.661 can it lead here in Natalis 00:06:29.661 --> 00:06:31.680 Yoga movement? 00:06:31.700 --> 00:06:32.881 This visit to her guru is 00:06:32.881 --> 00:06:34.681 supposedly the summit of 00:06:34.681 --> 00:06:36.380 tantric yoga. 00:06:36.500 --> 00:06:39.100 At least it was sold to Natalie. 00:06:39.140 --> 00:06:41.041 It all started off 00:06:41.041 --> 00:06:43.100 in a yoga school. 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:44.781 At first, it is really 00:06:44.781 --> 00:06:50.300 normal and very interesting. 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:52.281 It’s all new and it’s a 00:06:52.281 --> 00:06:53.021 completely different 00:06:53.021 --> 00:06:54.960 view of the world. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.001 At some point, women like Nathalie 00:06:57.001 --> 00:06:58.521 do not only yoga in this 00:06:58.521 --> 00:06:59.561 school, but also 00:06:59.561 --> 00:07:01.200 Tantra rituals. 00:07:01.760 --> 00:07:03.341 You learn to see the body 00:07:03.341 --> 00:07:05.300 and mind as a unity. 00:07:05.300 --> 00:07:06.521 Be very different with your 00:07:06.521 --> 00:07:07.361 fellow people. 00:07:07.361 --> 00:07:10.520 More intimate, they say. 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.161 You feel like you are shining 00:07:12.161 --> 00:07:14.040 from within. 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.400 And that light shines outward. 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:17.341 The others see it. 00:07:17.341 --> 00:07:19.441 But the thing is simple, 00:07:19.441 --> 00:07:20.641 that stops so misleading 00:07:20.641 --> 00:07:22.421 and then you are in and 00:07:22.421 --> 00:07:23.841 then it starts to get 00:07:23.841 --> 00:07:25.381 you as you do practically 00:07:25.381 --> 00:07:27.140 just dress in. 00:07:30.730 --> 00:07:31.771 We tell you the 00:07:31.771 --> 00:07:34.630 story of Nathalie and Liz. 00:07:34.810 --> 00:07:35.631 They have been part 00:07:35.631 --> 00:07:37.111 of an international yoga movement, 00:07:37.111 --> 00:07:38.771 the Atman Federation 00:07:38.771 --> 00:07:41.210 of Yoga and Meditation. 00:07:41.590 --> 00:07:44.310 Many say it is a sect. 00:07:44.310 --> 00:07:45.111 Members of the 00:07:45.111 --> 00:07:47.531 Atman movement say we are not. 00:07:47.531 --> 00:07:49.450 We do traditional, 00:07:49.450 --> 00:07:51.010 original yoga. 00:07:51.790 --> 00:07:53.511 Atman’s followers, men and women, 00:07:53.511 --> 00:07:55.371 practice yoga in schools 00:07:55.371 --> 00:07:57.770 in 30 different countries. 00:07:57.950 --> 00:07:59.031 They are organized independently 00:07:59.031 --> 00:08:00.531 and are called almost everywhere 00:08:00.531 --> 00:08:02.071 differently, but they follow 00:08:02.071 --> 00:08:03.571 the same teaching. 00:08:03.730 --> 00:08:05.170 It is estimated that 00:08:05.170 --> 00:08:06.751 the group has up to 00:08:06.751 --> 00:08:08.691 30,000 supporters 00:08:08.691 --> 00:08:10.191 worldwide. 00:08:10.250 --> 00:08:11.951 The oldest school, Misa, in 00:08:11.951 --> 00:08:13.651 Romania, calls itself 00:08:13.651 --> 00:08:14.831 the largest yoga school 00:08:14.831 --> 00:08:16.190 in Europe. 00:08:16.190 --> 00:08:17.891 There is also a yoga school 00:08:17.891 --> 00:08:19.111 in Germany that is part 00:08:19.111 --> 00:08:20.750 of this movement. 00:08:20.850 --> 00:08:22.191 German Academy of Traditional 00:08:22.191 --> 00:08:23.730 Yoga. 00:08:24.090 --> 00:08:26.430 It currently has nine locations. 00:08:26.430 --> 00:08:27.131 In Berlin, for 00:08:27.131 --> 00:08:28.831 example, in Munich, Freiburg and 00:08:28.831 --> 00:08:30.331 Stuttgart. 00:08:33.350 --> 00:08:34.991 For my colleague Christiane Havranek 00:08:34.991 --> 00:08:36.451 and me, everything will begin 00:08:36.451 --> 00:08:39.350 in the spring of 2023. 00:08:39.810 --> 00:08:41.271 We received a message 00:08:41.271 --> 00:08:43.131 from a psychiatrist. 00:08:43.131 --> 00:08:46.411 The listener. She told us that she 00:08:46.411 --> 00:08:47.851 was at the German Academy 00:08:47.851 --> 00:08:48.491 of Traditional 00:08:48.491 --> 00:08:50.151 Yoga, did just yoga 00:08:50.151 --> 00:08:52.191 and ended up sleeping 00:08:52.191 --> 00:08:55.010 with her guru without really 00:08:55.010 --> 00:08:56.630 wanting to do it. 00:08:57.130 --> 00:08:58.551 Talking about it is still quite 00:08:58.551 --> 00:08:59.891 uncomfortable for her 00:08:59.891 --> 00:09:01.731 years later, but she wants 00:09:01.731 --> 00:09:02.751 to warn others of 00:09:02.751 --> 00:09:04.251 the machinery of the yoga movement, 00:09:04.251 --> 00:09:05.870 she says. 00:09:06.030 --> 00:09:07.391 She would be happy if 00:09:07.391 --> 00:09:09.230 we could follow that. 00:09:09.290 --> 00:09:11.311 We do this and we first 00:09:11.311 --> 00:09:12.531 watch an official video 00:09:12.531 --> 00:09:13.951 of the German Academy for 00:09:13.951 --> 00:09:15.411 Traditional Yoga, shortly 00:09:15.411 --> 00:09:18.730 Dati, on YouTube. 00:09:19.210 --> 00:09:20.271 Yogis from the Berlin 00:09:20.271 --> 00:09:22.331 Yoga Centre tell us what is 00:09:22.331 --> 00:09:24.510 so special about their school. 00:09:26.090 --> 00:09:27.691 Basically, yoga has affected 00:09:27.691 --> 00:09:28.711 every area of my life, 00:09:28.711 --> 00:09:30.291 making it somehow 00:09:30.291 --> 00:09:31.271 more intense and 00:09:31.271 --> 00:09:32.670 better. 00:09:32.670 --> 00:09:33.551 I see this in the fact that 00:09:33.551 --> 00:09:35.831 I struggled for example 00:09:35.831 --> 00:09:36.611 for 10 years to quit 00:09:36.611 --> 00:09:37.691 smoking and suddenly 00:09:37.691 --> 00:09:38.690 it fell somehow easy. 00:09:38.690 --> 00:09:41.151 Anyone who practices yoga 00:09:41.151 --> 00:09:42.911 can shape his body, can 00:09:42.911 --> 00:09:45.151 live his sexuality, can increase 00:09:45.151 --> 00:09:46.811 his social competence 00:09:46.811 --> 00:09:49.371 and self-esteem, can open 00:09:49.371 --> 00:09:51.431 his heart and live emotions 00:09:51.431 --> 00:09:53.711 happily, can perfect his 00:09:53.711 --> 00:09:55.251 inspiration and 00:09:55.251 --> 00:09:57.191 intelligence until he 00:09:57.191 --> 00:09:58.990 is truly happy. 00:10:00.900 --> 00:10:03.460 All this is completely harmless. 00:10:03.580 --> 00:10:04.741 But if you don’t go to the 00:10:04.741 --> 00:10:05.881 official websites on the 00:10:05.881 --> 00:10:07.841 Internet, you’ll read all 00:10:07.841 --> 00:10:09.821 and all about the schools 00:10:09.821 --> 00:10:10.941 of the Atman Yoga movement 00:10:10.941 --> 00:10:12.760 as a whole. 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:13.801 But be careful, I’ve 00:10:13.801 --> 00:10:15.520 seen a few things. 00:10:16.040 --> 00:10:17.880 Now here on Facebook. 00:10:17.980 --> 00:10:20.480 Wow, that’s really the matter here. 00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:22.860 Tantra, not trauma 00:10:23.020 --> 00:10:24.241 There is constant sexual 00:10:24.241 --> 00:10:25.880 abuse. 00:10:25.880 --> 00:10:28.141 The charges of outgoing women from the yoga 00:10:28.141 --> 00:10:28.901 movement from 00:10:28.901 --> 00:10:30.421 various countries are being read 00:10:30.421 --> 00:10:31.800 fiercely. 00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:33.181 It is about sexual abuse, 00:10:33.181 --> 00:10:35.241 sex work, human trafficking, 00:10:35.241 --> 00:10:38.800 psychoterrorism. 00:10:39.300 --> 00:10:40.621 We also find an anonymous 00:10:40.621 --> 00:10:41.961 warning in front of the 00:10:41.961 --> 00:10:43.960 German Yoga School in Berlin. 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:45.181 On a website that means free 00:10:45.181 --> 00:10:47.080 in Berlin. 00:10:47.400 --> 00:10:48.821 There are also several entries 00:10:48.821 --> 00:10:52.240 from this yoga school. 00:10:52.460 --> 00:10:54.740 But there is a commentary. 00:10:54.980 --> 00:10:57.040 Beware of the big letters. 00:10:57.380 --> 00:10:59.140 This is a sex cult. 00:10:59.140 --> 00:11:00.820 This is a sex sect. 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:03.821 What is really going on in 00:11:03.821 --> 00:11:05.141 this yoga movement? 00:11:05.141 --> 00:11:06.441 Christiane and I want 00:11:06.441 --> 00:11:07.920 to find out. 00:11:07.920 --> 00:11:08.941 We will be taking 00:11:08.941 --> 00:11:10.120 a yoga class at 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:11.721 the German Academy of 00:11:11.721 --> 00:11:13.201 Traditional Yoga in 00:11:13.201 --> 00:11:14.780 Berlin. 00:11:15.620 --> 00:11:17.040 And there we go now. 00:11:17.040 --> 00:11:19.581 It is May 2023 and it is 00:11:19.581 --> 00:11:21.960 a sunny spring afternoon. 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.460 Berlin is blooming. 00:11:24.630 --> 00:11:25.711 We can’t really enjoy 00:11:25.711 --> 00:11:27.430 the cheerful mood because we’ 00:11:27.430 --> 00:11:28.331 re a little nervous about 00:11:28.331 --> 00:11:30.370 the accusations that are 00:11:30.370 --> 00:11:31.491 in the room against the 00:11:31.491 --> 00:11:33.910 school we’re going to attend. 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:36.590 And there is that other thing. 00:11:36.970 --> 00:11:37.551 Today is 00:11:37.551 --> 00:11:40.070 a Tantra Yoga day. 00:11:40.070 --> 00:11:41.671 We both do it for the first 00:11:41.671 --> 00:11:43.010 time. 00:11:43.010 --> 00:11:45.251 I am slowly excited 00:11:45.251 --> 00:11:46.811 about what is going to 00:11:46.811 --> 00:11:47.450 happen. 00:11:47.450 --> 00:11:49.430 How all this goes. 00:11:49.430 --> 00:11:52.191 I am also a little 00:11:52.191 --> 00:11:52.831 scared that I will have 00:11:52.831 --> 00:11:54.291 to sneeze or something. 00:11:54.291 --> 00:11:56.931 I don’t know, because Tantra 00:11:56.931 --> 00:11:58.150 Yoga is not necessarily the subject 00:11:58.150 --> 00:11:59.431 I’ve been dealing 00:11:59.431 --> 00:12:01.450 with in private. 00:12:05.630 --> 00:12:07.791 Yes, I am admitting it. On 00:12:07.791 --> 00:12:09.551 the way to school, I still 00:12:09.551 --> 00:12:10.911 have the predominant image 00:12:10.911 --> 00:12:12.791 of tantra in my head. You should 00:12:12.791 --> 00:12:14.230 do some exercise to have sex 00:12:14.230 --> 00:12:15.971 as long and intense as 00:12:15.971 --> 00:12:17.471 possible. 00:12:17.510 --> 00:12:18.651 I know better, because of 00:12:18.651 --> 00:12:20.051 course we have been investigating. 00:12:20.051 --> 00:12:21.350 00:12:21.350 --> 00:12:23.551 Tantra is a philosophy 00:12:23.551 --> 00:12:25.631 of life, about 5,000 years 00:12:25.631 --> 00:12:28.171 old, from India. There are 00:12:28.171 --> 00:12:29.830 several definitions of 00:12:29.830 --> 00:12:31.011 it, but basically it is 00:12:31.011 --> 00:12:32.471 a spiritual technique 00:12:32.471 --> 00:12:34.690 to develop yourself. 00:12:34.690 --> 00:12:36.431 I know everything, but somehow 00:12:36.431 --> 00:12:37.910 I also wonder what exactly 00:12:37.910 --> 00:12:39.591 do those practising at school 00:12:39.591 --> 00:12:40.270 and what is 00:12:40.270 --> 00:12:42.910 expected of us there? 00:12:43.170 --> 00:12:44.671 Christiane also thinks 00:12:44.671 --> 00:12:46.150 so. 00:12:46.150 --> 00:12:47.331 I have also had various 00:12:47.331 --> 00:12:49.290 yoga experiences. 00:12:49.290 --> 00:12:51.870 I was also in a time, for example, 00:12:51.870 --> 00:12:52.931 when it was common to 00:12:52.931 --> 00:12:54.310 do such partner exercises 00:12:54.310 --> 00:12:55.551 with sweaty men I didn’ 00:12:55.551 --> 00:12:56.850 t know. 00:12:56.850 --> 00:12:58.410 I felt so awful, so 00:12:58.410 --> 00:12:59.271 I didn’t go there 00:12:59.271 --> 00:13:00.310 anymore. 00:13:00.310 --> 00:13:02.311 If there were to be partner 00:13:02.311 --> 00:13:04.670 exercises there, dear Katja, 00:13:04.670 --> 00:13:05.611 I would love to do them 00:13:05.611 --> 00:13:07.111 with you. 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.081 The German Academy for 00:13:11.081 --> 00:13:12.781 Traditional Yoga is located 00:13:12.781 --> 00:13:14.141 in a busy neighborhood of 00:13:14.141 --> 00:13:15.400 Berlin. 00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:16.201 In a series with hipster 00:13:16.201 --> 00:13:18.260 cafes and restaurants. 00:13:18.280 --> 00:13:20.140 Then let’s look at that. 00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:22.221 Just before the yoga school, we 00:13:22.221 --> 00:13:24.760 take our microphone and put it away. 00:13:24.760 --> 00:13:25.761 We do not want to be recognized 00:13:25.761 --> 00:13:26.941 as journalists, because 00:13:26.941 --> 00:13:28.161 we want to get a as authentic 00:13:28.161 --> 00:13:29.820 and unfalsed impression 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:31.480 as possible. 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.341 We will not take it in secret, 00:13:33.341 --> 00:13:35.460 because it would be illegal. 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.220 Three hours later. 00:13:46.560 --> 00:13:48.181 Our snoring hour is over. 00:13:48.181 --> 00:13:50.940 It is dark in Berlin. 00:13:50.940 --> 00:13:53.240 We turn the microphone back on. 00:13:54.180 --> 00:13:55.080 So so. 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.100 Have you made? already engaged. 00:13:58.280 --> 00:13:59.400 So is. 00:13:59.400 --> 00:14:01.040 Okay, so is Katja. 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:02.420 We can finally talk about it. 00:14:02.420 --> 00:14:03.881 We sit in a park near 00:14:03.881 --> 00:14:05.300 the yoga school. 00:14:05.300 --> 00:14:06.621 We are pretty flat. 00:14:06.621 --> 00:14:09.600 It is 22.36 hours. 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:10.521 We just approved 00:14:10.521 --> 00:14:13.560 the Dennis. 00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:14.501 We had to because we were 00:14:14.501 --> 00:14:17.241 so hungry after this experience, 00:14:17.241 --> 00:14:18.661 because you were not allowed 00:14:18.661 --> 00:14:20.181 to eat for two hours before and 00:14:20.181 --> 00:14:21.341 it was also very important 00:14:21.341 --> 00:14:23.820 that the stomach was empty. 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:24.721 Did she tell me again 00:14:24.721 --> 00:14:26.400 in the meantime? 00:14:26.400 --> 00:14:27.861 Yes, she has it. 00:14:27.861 --> 00:14:31.360 In this belly exercise. Oh okay. 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:34.880 So how was it? 00:14:34.880 --> 00:14:37.441 I knew God had thought 00:14:37.441 --> 00:14:39.180 in advance. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.381 All my prejudices about 00:14:41.381 --> 00:14:44.060 Tantra have not been confirmed. 00:14:44.060 --> 00:14:45.940 No one touched the other. 00:14:45.940 --> 00:14:47.061 I don’t think it’s even 00:14:47.061 --> 00:14:48.581 the word Yoni, meaning female 00:14:48.581 --> 00:14:50.160 genitalia. 00:14:50.260 --> 00:14:52.400 Totally unspectacular in this respect. 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:53.621 So, for me, it was a 00:14:53.621 --> 00:14:55.520 mixture of pilates. 00:14:55.520 --> 00:14:56.240 I knew a few exercises, such 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.221 as a little more sporty things, 00:14:57.221 --> 00:14:58.540 more stressful things. 00:14:58.540 --> 00:15:00.260 I thought it was a 2-0 sport. 00:15:00.260 --> 00:15:01.601 I didn’t think it was 00:15:01.601 --> 00:15:02.160 really sporty. 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:04.340 I found it totally lax. 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:06.821 So nothing that I found completely 00:15:06.821 --> 00:15:08.401 gone or new or turned 00:15:08.401 --> 00:15:10.040 away now. 00:15:10.580 --> 00:15:12.100 I did not find it so normal. 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:13.820 You know what I noticed that there 00:15:13.820 --> 00:15:14.261 was something in 00:15:14.261 --> 00:15:17.900 this direction of healing. 00:15:17.900 --> 00:15:19.701 Christiane talks about the 00:15:19.701 --> 00:15:21.261 yoga exercises and how they were 00:15:21.261 --> 00:15:22.761 sold to us. 00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:23.981 For example, we lie on our 00:15:23.981 --> 00:15:25.161 back and stretch our legs 00:15:25.161 --> 00:15:26.360 upwards, with our arms 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.500 stretching parallel to them. 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:29.300 Like a sit-up, 00:15:29.300 --> 00:15:30.800 only with stretched legs. 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:32.701 This only works if you strain 00:15:32.701 --> 00:15:34.300 the stomach. 00:15:34.300 --> 00:15:35.641 Here in the yoga school, however, 00:15:35.641 --> 00:15:37.600 it is not a simple abdominal training, 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:38.801 but the exercise is meant to 00:15:38.801 --> 00:15:40.700 activate the Manipura chakra. 00:15:40.700 --> 00:15:41.881 This will give you 00:15:41.881 --> 00:15:43.841 more willpower, self-control 00:15:43.841 --> 00:15:44.981 and harmonious 00:15:44.981 --> 00:15:46.800 expression. 00:15:47.220 --> 00:15:48.201 It is relatively unspectacular 00:15:48.201 --> 00:15:49.760 in yoga. 00:15:49.760 --> 00:15:51.021 But here, a little 00:15:51.021 --> 00:15:52.720 more is promised. 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.981 Do this exercise and you will 00:15:54.981 --> 00:15:56.180 be like this. 00:15:56.180 --> 00:15:57.941 Do this and that asana. 00:15:57.941 --> 00:15:59.921 And then you will have this and 00:15:59.921 --> 00:16:03.081 that ability for intelligence 00:16:03.081 --> 00:16:06.720 or self-awareness, or with this you 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.761 will have more awareness, or 00:16:08.761 --> 00:16:11.341 with this you will have more of 00:16:11.341 --> 00:16:12.880 that and that. 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:14.121 So many different, what is 00:16:14.121 --> 00:16:17.401 that, feelings, qualities. 00:16:17.401 --> 00:16:18.541 Characteristics, positive 00:16:18.541 --> 00:16:20.400 qualities and, honestly, that’ 00:16:20.400 --> 00:16:26.001 s also something that somehow has 00:16:26.001 --> 00:16:30.500 what it needs, somehow looks for. 00:16:30.500 --> 00:16:31.540 What are we looking for? 00:16:31.540 --> 00:16:33.780 We are looking for confidence. 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.380 We are looking for radiation. 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:38.081 Exactly and that is a little, 00:16:38.081 --> 00:16:38.901 I say it now in introduction, 00:16:38.901 --> 00:16:40.040 the promise of salvation 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:42.521 that you will improve 00:16:42.521 --> 00:16:44.141 your whole life in 00:16:44.141 --> 00:16:45.641 principle. 00:16:45.700 --> 00:16:46.301 We will hear more 00:16:46.301 --> 00:16:48.380 and more of promises of salvation. 00:16:48.380 --> 00:16:49.521 They are central to the 00:16:49.521 --> 00:16:51.820 teaching of these yoga movements. 00:16:55.500 --> 00:16:55.981 It seems 00:16:55.981 --> 00:16:57.401 that many people are entering 00:16:57.401 --> 00:16:59.380 this school. 00:16:59.380 --> 00:17:00.701 There were eight women and eight men. 00:17:00.701 --> 00:17:01.701 It was occupied until 00:17:01.701 --> 00:17:03.340 the last place. 00:17:03.580 --> 00:17:04.841 There were a lot of young 00:17:04.841 --> 00:17:06.100 women, I found. 00:17:06.100 --> 00:17:06.841 I would say 00:17:06.841 --> 00:17:09.040 students, right? 00:17:09.040 --> 00:17:10.700 Yes, and all pretty attractive, young 00:17:10.700 --> 00:17:12.140 attractive. 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:13.860 The yoga teacher. 00:17:13.860 --> 00:17:14.821 It is very interesting to see 00:17:14.821 --> 00:17:15.500 that this young 00:17:15.500 --> 00:17:18.341 woman is able to get that 00:17:18.341 --> 00:17:20.320 with this yoga class, to 00:17:20.320 --> 00:17:21.620 have such a status that 00:17:21.620 --> 00:17:23.101 you can ask her questions 00:17:23.101 --> 00:17:25.060 for her whole life. 00:17:28.420 --> 00:17:30.201 This is exactly what happens 00:17:30.201 --> 00:17:31.940 in this time of the day. 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:33.501 After one and a half hours of yoga, 00:17:33.501 --> 00:17:34.521 we will be presented with 00:17:34.521 --> 00:17:37.120 another one and a half hours of theory. 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:38.740 This is quite unusual, we 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:39.861 don’t know of it from other 00:17:39.861 --> 00:17:41.440 yoga schools. 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:42.761 The content also makes 00:17:42.761 --> 00:17:44.060 us clear. 00:17:44.060 --> 00:17:45.401 The yoga teacher talks about 00:17:45.401 --> 00:17:46.981 the tests that you must pass 00:17:46.981 --> 00:17:48.481 in life. 00:17:48.560 --> 00:17:49.621 It’s like Super Mario, 00:17:49.621 --> 00:17:50.940 always on the 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:52.480 next level. 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.161 You will have a test before 00:17:54.161 --> 00:17:55.841 you get to the next 00:17:55.841 --> 00:17:57.021 level. 00:17:57.021 --> 00:17:58.521 Then you have to pass this test 00:17:58.521 --> 00:18:01.521 and there are more and more life 00:18:01.521 --> 00:18:02.901 tasks coming and you are never finished, 00:18:02.901 --> 00:18:04.640 so to speak. 00:18:05.180 --> 00:18:06.061 You are responsible 00:18:06.061 --> 00:18:08.141 for being 00:18:08.141 --> 00:18:09.280 happy. 00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:10.141 If you really want 00:18:10.141 --> 00:18:10.821 something, you 00:18:10.821 --> 00:18:12.321 can it. 00:18:13.370 --> 00:18:14.891 It sounds simple, but can 00:18:14.891 --> 00:18:16.570 become toxic. 00:18:16.570 --> 00:18:17.851 Not all people have the 00:18:17.851 --> 00:18:19.191 same conditions in 00:18:19.191 --> 00:18:20.130 life. 00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:21.710 Because there are factors such 00:18:21.710 --> 00:18:23.970 as chance, health, social status. 00:18:24.050 --> 00:18:25.271 Often the will alone 00:18:25.271 --> 00:18:26.930 cannot do anything. 00:18:26.930 --> 00:18:29.730 The tests that are being discussed are 00:18:29.730 --> 00:18:30.931 passed after school teaching 00:18:30.931 --> 00:18:32.950 apparently with yoga. 00:18:33.310 --> 00:18:34.471 And of course, you 00:18:34.471 --> 00:18:35.651 get the help 00:18:35.651 --> 00:18:36.951 of teachers at the school. 00:18:36.951 --> 00:18:37.770 00:18:37.770 --> 00:18:40.611 She was taken up with questions 00:18:40.611 --> 00:18:42.730 like a therapist. 00:18:42.730 --> 00:18:44.111 These people were asked 00:18:44.111 --> 00:18:45.670 primarily. 00:18:45.670 --> 00:18:46.971 Again and again, yes, what 00:18:46.971 --> 00:18:47.891 do I do if I have this 00:18:47.891 --> 00:18:50.070 problem but don’t go on? 00:18:50.130 --> 00:18:51.411 One of them even had a specific 00:18:51.411 --> 00:18:52.770 problem. 00:18:52.770 --> 00:18:53.871 He had somehow a project, 00:18:53.871 --> 00:18:54.851 and he thought I 00:18:54.851 --> 00:18:55.771 could make a lot 00:18:55.771 --> 00:18:56.311 of money. 00:18:56.311 --> 00:18:57.890 What should I do? 00:18:57.890 --> 00:19:00.591 Yes, many people who are on 00:19:00.591 --> 00:19:02.731 the search for meaning are somehow in their 00:19:02.731 --> 00:19:04.631 lives and who are now somehow looking 00:19:04.631 --> 00:19:05.991 for such a kind of coaching 00:19:05.991 --> 00:19:09.370 and find that in this yoga. 00:19:10.150 --> 00:19:11.850 Coaching and life support. 00:19:12.490 --> 00:19:13.631 This is what the German 00:19:13.631 --> 00:19:14.451 Academy of Traditional 00:19:14.451 --> 00:19:16.111 Yoga is doing 00:19:16.111 --> 00:19:17.611 here. 00:19:17.830 --> 00:19:19.271 They promote by being able to provide 00:19:19.271 --> 00:19:20.771 people with practical help 00:19:20.771 --> 00:19:22.750 in their work and everyday life. 00:19:23.290 --> 00:19:24.111 It does not even need 00:19:24.111 --> 00:19:25.111 a big crisis. 00:19:25.111 --> 00:19:26.391 Everyone can really 00:19:26.391 --> 00:19:27.990 feel it. 00:19:28.230 --> 00:19:29.850 But it is not only that. 00:19:29.890 --> 00:19:31.351 In our hour of snoring, 00:19:31.351 --> 00:19:32.851 we learn that in this course, 00:19:32.851 --> 00:19:34.311 if we continue, we 00:19:34.311 --> 00:19:36.111 will also be initiated 00:19:36.111 --> 00:19:38.010 into mysteries. 00:19:38.310 --> 00:19:39.531 It has a sacred 00:19:39.531 --> 00:19:41.550 aura in itself. 00:19:41.610 --> 00:19:42.530 The first slide, 00:19:42.530 --> 00:19:44.191 there was, those who 00:19:44.191 --> 00:19:47.991 are initiated, initiate this 00:19:47.991 --> 00:19:50.770 word, initiated, where I 00:19:55.170 --> 00:19:57.051 think initiation, you 00:19:57.051 --> 00:19:58.090 may remember. 00:19:58.090 --> 00:19:59.131 This will be fully concerned 00:19:59.131 --> 00:20:00.230 later on. 00:20:00.230 --> 00:20:01.291 He said that this will 00:20:01.291 --> 00:20:03.431 happen at the next 00:20:03.431 --> 00:20:04.730 meetings. 00:20:04.730 --> 00:20:05.931 A magical promise that 00:20:05.931 --> 00:20:07.191 can only be fulfilled 00:20:07.191 --> 00:20:07.710 later. 00:20:07.710 --> 00:20:08.590 And she said, in such 00:20:08.590 --> 00:20:09.691 a thing, you will learn 00:20:09.691 --> 00:20:11.810 it only in two years. 00:20:11.810 --> 00:20:13.310 In several years. 00:20:15.100 --> 00:20:17.161 We understand that it is best 00:20:17.161 --> 00:20:18.221 to do this school as long as 00:20:18.221 --> 00:20:19.160 possible. 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.141 Almost to the illumination. 00:20:21.141 --> 00:20:22.701 Christiane and I, we feel 00:20:22.701 --> 00:20:23.821 like we are being 00:20:23.821 --> 00:20:25.781 struck with mysterious promises 00:20:25.781 --> 00:20:28.440 in this theory hour. 00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:30.641 And after three hours, at 00:20:30.641 --> 00:20:32.261 the end, there is a sugar 00:20:32.261 --> 00:20:33.281 for us. 00:20:33.281 --> 00:20:35.101 Teaching materials for 00:20:35.101 --> 00:20:36.641 rework, several DIN 00:20:36.641 --> 00:20:38.640 A4 pages of paper. 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:40.341 Then we look here in the 00:20:40.341 --> 00:20:43.041 park and see, all of a sudden, 00:20:43.041 --> 00:20:44.761 it is a lot about sensual 00:20:44.761 --> 00:20:45.601 sexual partner 00:20:45.601 --> 00:20:47.540 exercises. 00:20:47.540 --> 00:20:50.241 Esoteric, Tantra Yoga, Lesson 1 00:20:50.241 --> 00:20:52.480 We still have to get into that. 00:20:52.620 --> 00:20:53.601 A man and a woman are 00:20:53.601 --> 00:20:56.420 sitting together in a photo. 00:20:56.420 --> 00:20:57.180 in the grass. 00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:58.241 We just have to go 00:20:58.241 --> 00:20:59.061 together... 00:20:59.061 --> 00:21:01.100 Here is another picture. 00:21:01.100 --> 00:21:02.201 There are sex in a lake, 00:21:02.201 --> 00:21:05.200 so it looks, or in the pond. 00:21:05.280 --> 00:21:08.041 Oh my dear, here... 00:21:08.041 --> 00:21:10.780 Attention to! Secret information! 00:21:10.780 --> 00:21:12.880 The structure of godly power. 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:14.781 Christiane could go through 00:21:14.781 --> 00:21:16.281 this paper forever. 00:21:16.420 --> 00:21:17.500 I turn off. 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:18.861 I am tired, my voice is cracking 00:21:18.861 --> 00:21:19.781 so slowly. 00:21:19.781 --> 00:21:21.740 I am ready for today. 00:21:21.740 --> 00:21:22.541 Yes, we have to go now. It 00:21:22.541 --> 00:21:23.840 is cold. 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:24.381 And now I think we 00:21:24.381 --> 00:21:25.081 have talked a lot, 00:21:25.081 --> 00:21:26.460 a lot of confusion. 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:28.521 Full of confusion. We can sit 00:21:28.521 --> 00:21:30.300 down again tomorrow. 00:21:30.540 --> 00:21:33.180 Let it squeeze a little, right? 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:42.981 Yes is full. We didn’t have 00:21:42.981 --> 00:21:44.740 so much time to sack. 00:21:44.740 --> 00:21:45.841 The next day we have 00:21:45.841 --> 00:21:47.421 a meeting with a 00:21:47.421 --> 00:21:49.080 former member. 00:21:49.180 --> 00:21:50.661 We know that she, 00:21:50.661 --> 00:21:52.141 like so many other people, 00:21:52.141 --> 00:21:53.580 was looking for 00:21:53.580 --> 00:21:55.421 meaning, improvement, a fulfilled 00:21:55.421 --> 00:21:56.921 life. 00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:59.561 She thought she had finally 00:21:59.561 --> 00:22:00.900 found all this, 00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:02.341 right at the German Academy 00:22:02.341 --> 00:22:04.240 of Traditional Yoga. 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:05.701 That’s what she wants to 00:22:05.701 --> 00:22:07.940 tell us today, maybe. 00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:09.960 Before she tells us anything, 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:12.000 she wants to get to know us. 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.640 We know nothing about you. 00:22:14.900 --> 00:22:16.361 We only know that she is 00:22:16.361 --> 00:22:18.080 a outsider. 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:20.381 So she has written something 00:22:20.381 --> 00:22:23.041 like, she’s just learning how to 00:22:23.041 --> 00:22:24.541 deal with other people, she needs 00:22:24.541 --> 00:22:26.880 a lot of gentleness. 00:22:27.060 --> 00:22:28.660 She wants to remain anonymous. 00:22:28.660 --> 00:22:30.181 In this podcast, we’ll call 00:22:30.181 --> 00:22:31.720 it Lyrics. 00:22:32.120 --> 00:22:33.261 It has a condition for 00:22:33.261 --> 00:22:34.360 our meeting. 00:22:34.360 --> 00:22:35.461 It should be done on 00:22:35.461 --> 00:22:36.820 neutral soil. 00:22:36.820 --> 00:22:38.660 Not in her house, not in her, 00:22:38.660 --> 00:22:40.160 but in a park. 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:42.421 So we are now on the pond. 00:22:42.421 --> 00:22:44.280 There is a woman standing, 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:46.880 walking from one leg to the other, 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.940 wearing a red hat. 00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:50.700 Has a yoga mat under your arm? 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:52.760 She has a yoga mat under her arm. 00:22:53.020 --> 00:22:54.260 Yes, it could be you. 00:22:54.260 --> 00:22:55.760 She looks around. 00:22:55.760 --> 00:22:57.320 But I think that is she. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.880 Okay, we are looking forward. 00:23:02.280 --> 00:23:04.081 The yogamatte is revealed as a 00:23:04.081 --> 00:23:05.760 red flowing ceiling. 00:23:05.820 --> 00:23:07.380 We welcome each other. 00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:08.700 Read is restrained, cautious, 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.580 almost shy. 00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:12.420 We are nervous too. 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:13.861 Can she tell us what she 00:23:13.861 --> 00:23:15.980 experienced at the yoga school? 00:23:16.700 --> 00:23:18.940 We sit on their ceiling. 00:23:19.300 --> 00:23:20.701 Liz is large and sits with 00:23:20.701 --> 00:23:23.020 a candlestick back on our side. 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:24.661 Just like Natalie, Liz 00:23:24.661 --> 00:23:26.061 is strikingly beautiful, 00:23:26.061 --> 00:23:27.561 has a flat face and 00:23:27.561 --> 00:23:29.061 big eyes. 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.400 We are not telling you this because 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.860 we are superficial, but because 00:23:31.860 --> 00:23:34.140 it seems to have a system. 00:23:34.260 --> 00:23:35.201 The women we met 00:23:35.201 --> 00:23:36.260 who continue to 00:23:36.260 --> 00:23:37.441 rise in the yoga movement 00:23:37.441 --> 00:23:38.560 are obviously 00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:39.781 very attractive. 00:23:39.781 --> 00:23:41.300 00:23:41.660 --> 00:23:43.121 Christiane and I 00:23:43.121 --> 00:23:44.841 talk for a while. 00:23:44.841 --> 00:23:46.521 Sometimes we ask 00:23:46.521 --> 00:23:48.720 if we can record. 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:50.140 And she says yes. 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:51.940 I just put it here like this. 00:23:51.940 --> 00:23:53.900 Then we have, exactly. 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:54.901 Because we don’t want to be 00:23:54.901 --> 00:23:55.580 intrusive, we 00:23:55.580 --> 00:23:56.701 put the smartphone a little 00:23:56.701 --> 00:23:58.340 further away from it. 00:23:58.340 --> 00:23:58.941 You can hear it 00:23:58.941 --> 00:24:00.680 a little in the background. 00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:02.281 I really took everything 00:24:02.281 --> 00:24:04.261 they offered me because 00:24:04.261 --> 00:24:05.020 I was very 00:24:05.020 --> 00:24:06.461 curious and I was 00:24:06.461 --> 00:24:09.220 shocked myself. 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:11.501 I think many still said 00:24:11.501 --> 00:24:13.441 I need to detox myself 00:24:13.441 --> 00:24:14.941 properly. 00:24:15.260 --> 00:24:17.120 When did you go out? 00:24:18.140 --> 00:24:20.540 I am still there. 00:24:21.620 --> 00:24:22.921 So emotionally, mentally and 00:24:22.921 --> 00:24:24.021 mentally, I am still on the 00:24:24.021 --> 00:24:25.840 way to escalate. 00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:26.961 I’t say I’m 00:24:26.961 --> 00:24:28.720 finished. 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.721 We are of course interested 00:24:31.721 --> 00:24:33.241 in how Liz enrolled 00:24:33.241 --> 00:24:34.501 in a yoga course 00:24:34.501 --> 00:24:35.641 at the German Academy 00:24:35.641 --> 00:24:37.660 of Traditional Yoga. 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:40.200 She says she had a problem with 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:41.041 so many topics being 00:24:41.041 --> 00:24:42.461 clamped out in school 00:24:42.461 --> 00:24:44.720 and in life at all. 00:24:45.700 --> 00:24:47.660 Body, sensuality and desire. 00:24:47.660 --> 00:24:49.620 Who teaches us this in school? 00:24:51.860 --> 00:24:53.701 Who brings consciousness 00:24:53.701 --> 00:24:54.940 into the body? 00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:56.800 Who talks about the body? 00:24:56.800 --> 00:24:57.841 Even in sports, it’ 00:24:57.841 --> 00:24:58.720 s just about throwing 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.320 balls or something. 00:25:00.320 --> 00:25:01.341 It is never really about 00:25:01.341 --> 00:25:02.860 your body. 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.820 So there was that gap. 00:25:04.820 --> 00:25:05.981 She finally wanted to talk about 00:25:05.981 --> 00:25:07.100 all these issues. 00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:08.981 But before we learn how it 00:25:08.981 --> 00:25:10.401 started with her and the 00:25:10.401 --> 00:25:12.041 yoga school, she goes on 00:25:12.041 --> 00:25:13.940 to the next topic, using 00:25:13.940 --> 00:25:16.500 terms that are foreign to us. 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:18.201 The real world, the dualistic 00:25:18.201 --> 00:25:20.140 worldview. 00:25:20.560 --> 00:25:21.681 I feel like I need 00:25:21.681 --> 00:25:23.401 more basics about 00:25:23.401 --> 00:25:25.620 your story. 00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:27.341 That is why I read this 00:25:27.341 --> 00:25:28.281 question here. 00:25:28.281 --> 00:25:32.040 Can you take us from 00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:33.881 the beginning, if it 00:25:33.881 --> 00:25:37.640 is not so rough for you, 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:38.401 as it really started, 00:25:38.401 --> 00:25:39.801 describe your way 00:25:39.801 --> 00:25:42.661 to this school and 00:25:42.661 --> 00:25:44.641 how you have experienced 00:25:44.641 --> 00:25:46.240 it? 00:25:49.540 --> 00:25:51.040 A bad question. 00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:52.441 Liz suddenly shakes 00:25:52.441 --> 00:25:55.100 his arms and turns back. 00:25:55.180 --> 00:25:57.160 She says nothing at all. 00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.041 This silence, this silence, 00:25:59.041 --> 00:26:01.101 this silence, that is hard 00:26:01.101 --> 00:26:02.601 for us to endure. 00:26:03.260 --> 00:26:04.940 This is very personal. 00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:05.821 Then I would take 00:26:05.821 --> 00:26:07.800 a step back. 00:26:08.040 --> 00:26:09.541 You just say what you are 00:26:09.541 --> 00:26:11.041 ready for. 00:26:11.860 --> 00:26:12.941 Read only vague suggestions. 00:26:12.941 --> 00:26:14.180 00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:15.341 What fascinated her at 00:26:15.341 --> 00:26:16.740 this yoga school. 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:18.320 The teachers there, she says, 00:26:18.320 --> 00:26:20.100 have repeatedly taught her. 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:22.060 We have so much knowledge that 00:26:22.060 --> 00:26:23.380 we can finally show you how to become 00:26:23.380 --> 00:26:24.301 the most desirable version 00:26:24.301 --> 00:26:25.221 of yourself. 00:26:25.221 --> 00:26:27.760 And that is what you eat immediately. 00:26:27.980 --> 00:26:28.881 And we can show you it 00:26:28.881 --> 00:26:30.440 in every area of your life, in your 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.081 sexuality, in your profession, 00:26:32.081 --> 00:26:33.541 in your vocation, in 00:26:33.541 --> 00:26:35.920 your spirituality, in your contribution 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.500 to the world. 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:38.741 And if you are really 00:26:38.741 --> 00:26:39.561 rough, you can even get 00:26:39.561 --> 00:26:41.100 enlightenment through us. 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:42.921 And ultimate spiritual enlightening 00:26:42.921 --> 00:26:45.800 uplifting sexuality, right? 00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:49.420 The Golden Ticket. 00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:51.240 Do you take it or do you take it? 00:26:54.540 --> 00:26:57.020 We, Liz, Christiane and I, 00:26:57.020 --> 00:26:58.161 laughed a lot in this 00:26:58.161 --> 00:26:59.320 conversation. 00:26:59.320 --> 00:27:00.801 What I am talking about here 00:27:00.801 --> 00:27:02.580 is not laughing at all. 00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:03.821 Christiane and I are 00:27:03.821 --> 00:27:04.920 not sure. 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.161 We often don’t know how to 00:27:06.161 --> 00:27:07.321 respond to the statements 00:27:07.321 --> 00:27:08.821 of lies. 00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:10.681 With laughter we overcome 00:27:10.681 --> 00:27:12.260 our tension. 00:27:12.260 --> 00:27:14.020 I don’t know why Liz laughs. 00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:15.640 Maybe it is similar to her. 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:17.781 The golden ticket she 00:27:17.781 --> 00:27:19.121 just told us about, 00:27:19.121 --> 00:27:20.941 that soon turned 00:27:20.941 --> 00:27:23.960 into a bad luck for her. 00:27:24.080 --> 00:27:25.021 I was constantly exposed 00:27:25.021 --> 00:27:25.581 to my own 00:27:25.581 --> 00:27:27.800 weaknesses. 00:27:27.800 --> 00:27:29.540 Yes, physically, and really 00:27:29.540 --> 00:27:31.040 physically. 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:32.541 Women should be like that, 00:27:32.541 --> 00:27:33.981 women should have thick 00:27:33.981 --> 00:27:35.120 breasts, women 00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:36.321 should have thick doctors, 00:27:36.321 --> 00:27:38.880 so rightly sexist. 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.700 Okay stop it. 00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:41.861 Are we really doing 00:27:41.861 --> 00:27:43.420 Tantra Yoga? 00:27:43.420 --> 00:27:46.080 Or is it about something completely different? 00:27:46.100 --> 00:27:48.381 Liz’s thoughts are now jumping 00:27:48.381 --> 00:27:49.881 a little. 00:27:50.140 --> 00:27:51.041 So everything was always 00:27:51.041 --> 00:27:52.041 a sign, a divine sign, 00:27:52.041 --> 00:27:54.640 angels, beings. 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.001 This is not really 00:27:56.001 --> 00:27:57.061 the case in classical 00:27:57.061 --> 00:27:58.280 yoga teaching. 00:27:58.280 --> 00:27:59.461 From morning to evening, you think 00:27:59.461 --> 00:28:00.601 that you are being watched 00:28:00.601 --> 00:28:04.320 by God, whether you are being deemed 00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:05.461 worthy to reach the 00:28:05.461 --> 00:28:07.621 next level through your daily 00:28:07.621 --> 00:28:08.980 actions. 00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:10.701 The next level is from 00:28:10.701 --> 00:28:12.380 our snack class, 00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:13.541 Super Mario. 00:28:13.541 --> 00:28:16.500 The one who receives the gift, 00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.401 the initiation, the initiation. 00:28:18.401 --> 00:28:20.541 Initiation, we also heard 00:28:20.541 --> 00:28:21.741 this in our snopper hour 00:28:21.741 --> 00:28:23.341 and we wonder again 00:28:23.341 --> 00:28:24.820 what this means. 00:28:24.820 --> 00:28:25.960 So it’s very exciting, it’s 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.301 very exciting, but it’s also 00:28:27.301 --> 00:28:28.400 completely crazy. 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.481 You are losing contact with 00:28:29.481 --> 00:28:30.981 reality. 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:32.821 We tell Liz that we have 00:28:32.821 --> 00:28:34.560 heard of all these terms, 00:28:34.560 --> 00:28:36.261 initiation, initiation, 00:28:36.261 --> 00:28:37.140 at our Tantra 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:37.581 Yoga snupper 00:28:37.581 --> 00:28:39.161 class at Dati. 00:28:39.161 --> 00:28:39.800 00:28:39.800 --> 00:28:41.481 I was very happy 00:28:41.481 --> 00:28:42.921 to have tried 00:28:42.921 --> 00:28:44.960 Tantra Yoga myself. 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:46.421 We feel like we are getting 00:28:46.421 --> 00:28:48.040 closer to reading. 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:50.220 But then comes this here. 00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:53.961 What was also very extreme, it 00:28:53.961 --> 00:28:55.681 was like a kind of 00:28:55.681 --> 00:28:58.020 place-giving to the gubu. 00:28:58.020 --> 00:28:59.281 He believes that the Gubu 00:28:59.281 --> 00:29:02.440 is a servant of God. 00:29:02.780 --> 00:29:04.280 What kind of gubu? 00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:07.531 Actually we already know. 00:29:07.531 --> 00:29:09.171 Many from the Yoga movement 00:29:09.171 --> 00:29:10.651 of Liz admire a kind of 00:29:10.651 --> 00:29:13.170 guru, a spiritual teacher. 00:29:13.470 --> 00:29:14.951 The data itself does not call 00:29:14.951 --> 00:29:16.450 him a guru. 00:29:16.450 --> 00:29:18.411 We know that he is called Gregorian 00:29:18.411 --> 00:29:19.990 Bivolaru. 00:29:20.590 --> 00:29:22.451 Christiane, a wild but very 00:29:22.451 --> 00:29:24.651 investigative reporter, does 00:29:24.651 --> 00:29:26.130 not put read in her mouth 00:29:26.130 --> 00:29:28.070 if she should say it herself. 00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:31.091 But these two words, which guru, 00:29:31.091 --> 00:29:33.791 are enough and readings 00:29:33.791 --> 00:29:35.450 sound with the phrase. 00:29:35.450 --> 00:29:37.211 From one moment to the 00:29:37.211 --> 00:29:39.011 next, she sits there 00:29:39.011 --> 00:29:41.271 like stoned and seems to 00:29:41.271 --> 00:29:43.590 be in a very different world. 00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:46.021 But I realize that is very 00:29:46.021 --> 00:29:47.521 much. 00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:51.960 I need to get you back slowly. 00:29:52.060 --> 00:29:53.920 We go a step back. 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:55.021 I think we just have 00:29:55.021 --> 00:29:56.820 to keep the clutches. 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.741 From the yoga tantra perspective, 00:29:58.741 --> 00:30:00.381 I would say, go more into 00:30:00.381 --> 00:30:01.961 your female energy and 00:30:01.961 --> 00:30:03.441 go out of that prepressing 00:30:03.441 --> 00:30:04.841 male energy that is also 00:30:04.841 --> 00:30:06.140 super important, but 00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:08.520 chill your bails, age. 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:12.821 Even after our meeting in 00:30:12.821 --> 00:30:13.941 the park, we still cannot 00:30:13.941 --> 00:30:15.480 grasp Liz entirely. 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.001 We prefer to be even 00:30:17.001 --> 00:30:19.600 slower, even more cautious. 00:30:19.600 --> 00:30:21.820 But we are also insecure. 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:23.820 What can we ask at all? 00:30:24.020 --> 00:30:25.141 Apparently, a wrong word 00:30:25.141 --> 00:30:26.700 on this topic is enough, 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:28.481 as do the Guru 00:30:28.481 --> 00:30:30.600 and our interlocutors. 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:32.541 Shortly after our meeting, 00:30:32.541 --> 00:30:33.921 Liz sends us another language 00:30:33.921 --> 00:30:35.340 message, again with 00:30:35.340 --> 00:30:36.481 hints on her time 00:30:36.481 --> 00:30:37.821 at the German Academy 00:30:37.821 --> 00:30:40.240 for Traditional Yoga. 00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:41.941 I feel like they 00:30:41.941 --> 00:30:43.361 have raped me deeply 00:30:43.361 --> 00:30:44.560 inside. 00:30:44.560 --> 00:30:45.481 They really raped 00:30:45.481 --> 00:30:47.721 me in all my being and 00:30:47.721 --> 00:30:49.080 I feel like they 00:30:49.080 --> 00:30:51.060 are still inside me. 00:30:51.060 --> 00:30:51.561 So they are 00:30:51.561 --> 00:30:52.760 still in my thoughts, they 00:30:52.760 --> 00:30:54.440 are still in my feelings. 00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.760 I am always in these worlds. 00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:02.961 While Liz is still busy 00:31:02.961 --> 00:31:04.161 with leaving the 00:31:04.161 --> 00:31:05.700 yoga movement, Natalie 00:31:06.340 --> 00:31:07.741 has recently made 00:31:07.741 --> 00:31:09.241 the leap. 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:10.781 She signed up for 00:31:10.781 --> 00:31:12.201 a search in an 00:31:12.201 --> 00:31:14.760 affected network. 00:31:14.780 --> 00:31:16.220 You heard Natalie at the beginning 00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:18.020 of this episode. 00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:19.901 She is the one who opened the 00:31:19.901 --> 00:31:21.841 door with Gregorian Bivoularu 00:31:21.841 --> 00:31:23.340 in a purple bathtub. 00:31:23.340 --> 00:31:24.940 But that comes later. 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.421 Natalies story in this yoga 00:31:26.421 --> 00:31:27.961 movement, which she will 00:31:27.961 --> 00:31:28.901 tell us right away, 00:31:28.901 --> 00:31:31.200 is quite adventurous. 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.621 And she’s about much more 00:31:32.621 --> 00:31:34.400 than just her guru. 00:31:34.760 --> 00:31:37.220 We have been meeting with her by teams. 00:31:37.280 --> 00:31:39.141 Does it work with your recording? 00:31:39.141 --> 00:31:40.821 Yes, it’s running here in 00:31:40.821 --> 00:31:42.440 the background on my laptop. 00:31:44.180 --> 00:31:45.541 For a personal meeting, Natalie 00:31:45.541 --> 00:31:47.240 is too far away. 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.641 She lives and works just where 00:31:48.641 --> 00:31:50.900 others are on vacation, surrounded 00:31:50.900 --> 00:31:52.281 by palm trees and kilometers 00:31:52.281 --> 00:31:54.520 of white sandy beaches. 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.460 On an island in Thailand. 00:31:56.620 --> 00:31:58.081 Natalie fits well in the picture. 00:31:58.081 --> 00:32:00.281 She is 27 years old, has 00:32:00.281 --> 00:32:01.661 long brown hair and facial 00:32:01.661 --> 00:32:03.580 traits like a model. 00:32:03.780 --> 00:32:04.661 I want to start with 00:32:04.661 --> 00:32:06.581 the first thing before 00:32:06.581 --> 00:32:10.381 you get to know the 00:32:10.381 --> 00:32:12.120 yoga school. 00:32:12.120 --> 00:32:13.621 Natalie takes us back to 00:32:13.621 --> 00:32:16.420 a time when she is about 16. 00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:17.481 She grows up in a small 00:32:17.481 --> 00:32:18.641 town somewhere in Germany 00:32:18.641 --> 00:32:20.541 and comes from a good 00:32:20.541 --> 00:32:21.720 home. 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:22.861 She doesn’t have to worry 00:32:22.861 --> 00:32:23.700 about money. 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:26.740 Her parents raised her atheistically. 00:32:26.740 --> 00:32:27.941 Nothing about religion, nothing 00:32:27.941 --> 00:32:29.600 about spirituality. 00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:30.981 Natalie has nothing to do 00:32:30.981 --> 00:32:32.300 with yoga. 00:32:32.300 --> 00:32:34.500 She often goes to the gym. 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:36.361 So I was so really angry, so 00:32:36.361 --> 00:32:38.761 bodybuilderwise somehow 00:32:38.761 --> 00:32:39.880 on the way. 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:41.960 So that was full the subject for me. 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.241 It was two hours every day 00:32:44.241 --> 00:32:45.340 somehow. 00:32:45.340 --> 00:32:46.401 It has taken up a lot 00:32:46.401 --> 00:32:48.520 of space in my life. 00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.121 Natalie also focuses 00:32:50.121 --> 00:32:51.161 on psychology. 00:32:51.161 --> 00:32:53.400 She will study it later. 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:54.161 I was always super 00:32:54.161 --> 00:32:55.561 interested in understanding 00:32:55.561 --> 00:32:57.240 a little deeper 00:32:57.380 --> 00:32:58.420 why we work the 00:32:58.420 --> 00:32:59.920 way we work. 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.101 Now, when you look back, 00:33:03.101 --> 00:33:04.240 it’s very interesting that 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.101 I’m the one who is 00:33:05.101 --> 00:33:06.601 so sliding in. 00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:10.901 In addition to her studies, Natalie 00:33:10.901 --> 00:33:12.040 already works for a 00:33:12.040 --> 00:33:12.881 luxury car manufacturer 00:33:12.881 --> 00:33:15.760 in the human resources department. 00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:17.361 She enjoys her job, she meets 00:33:17.361 --> 00:33:18.701 interesting people and is 00:33:18.701 --> 00:33:20.360 on a lot of travel. 00:33:20.580 --> 00:33:22.181 Now just look at 00:33:22.181 --> 00:33:23.700 the paper. 00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.261 Nathalie is attractive and 00:33:25.261 --> 00:33:26.781 intelligent, she has a 00:33:26.781 --> 00:33:28.240 hobby that fills her, 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.620 she has money and a good job. 00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:33.431 But she is not so satisfied. 00:33:33.431 --> 00:33:34.510 00:33:34.510 --> 00:33:35.531 Is that really what I want 00:33:35.531 --> 00:33:36.711 to do for the rest of my 00:33:36.711 --> 00:33:39.210 life now, not really, I 00:33:39.350 --> 00:33:41.410 can mean somewhere, find 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.161 something that matters 00:33:44.161 --> 00:33:45.661 to me. 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:48.000 She tries to come to different 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.561 thoughts with travel, seeing 00:33:49.561 --> 00:33:50.401 the world. 00:33:50.401 --> 00:33:54.140 Then comes India. 00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:56.420 And suddenly everything becomes different. 00:33:56.660 --> 00:33:59.600 pretty good and pretty bad. 00:34:02.620 --> 00:34:05.340 It all starts in 2019. 00:34:05.340 --> 00:34:06.381 Natalie is there in Rishikesh, 00:34:06.381 --> 00:34:09.060 a small town on the Ganges. 00:34:09.240 --> 00:34:10.221 The Beatles meditated 00:34:10.221 --> 00:34:12.940 in the Maharishi Ashram. 00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:15.180 Yoga is pretty big here. 00:34:15.180 --> 00:34:17.221 Guides even talk about the 00:34:17.221 --> 00:34:19.040 yoga capital of the world. 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:21.001 Nathalie gets a flyer in 00:34:21.001 --> 00:34:22.461 her hand on the street 00:34:22.461 --> 00:34:23.560 in Rishikesh. 00:34:23.560 --> 00:34:24.581 From a school called Mahasasi, 00:34:24.581 --> 00:34:27.140 which offers Tantra Yoga. 00:34:27.140 --> 00:34:31.480 The Tantra would be cool to look at. 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:34.061 I called and then 00:34:34.061 --> 00:34:35.620 Jasper ran. 00:34:36.020 --> 00:34:37.180 and Jasper. 00:34:37.180 --> 00:34:38.721 The story of Nathalie at the 00:34:38.721 --> 00:34:39.541 yoga school is 00:34:39.541 --> 00:34:40.881 also the story of Nathalie 00:34:40.881 --> 00:34:42.880 and Jasper at this school. 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.860 Did you meet by phone? 00:34:45.940 --> 00:34:47.440 Yes is. 00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:49.621 Do you remember 00:34:49.621 --> 00:34:52.100 the first phone call? 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.000 Yes, indeed, the thing I had in mind was, it was, it is, it is, it 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.180 is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, 00:34:57.180 --> 00:34:58.381 it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, 00:34:58.381 --> 00:35:01.140 it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, 00:35:01.140 --> 00:35:02.081 it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, 00:35:02.081 --> 00:35:04.161 it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, 00:35:04.161 --> 00:35:05.820 it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.641 But Jasper is 29 and he comes 00:35:11.641 --> 00:35:13.460 from Australia. 00:35:13.460 --> 00:35:14.841 Natalie meets him when 00:35:14.841 --> 00:35:16.181 she first visits 00:35:16.181 --> 00:35:17.260 the yoga hall. 00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:19.241 Jasper is a phenomenon 00:35:19.241 --> 00:35:20.880 for Nathalie. 00:35:21.060 --> 00:35:23.381 Muscular, brown-burned, the 00:35:23.381 --> 00:35:25.560 hair fall wildly into his face. 00:35:25.660 --> 00:35:28.040 Everything is attracted by Nathalie. 00:35:28.040 --> 00:35:29.661 Immediately after I 00:35:29.661 --> 00:35:30.940 got back from the hall, 00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:31.981 I sent a voice message 00:35:31.981 --> 00:35:32.920 to my best friend. 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.020 I was like that, oh my God. 00:35:36.620 --> 00:35:38.740 Because I was so completely blown. 00:35:38.740 --> 00:35:41.760 So total, oh wow, he’s so great. 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.101 This great Jasper belongs to the teaching 00:35:45.101 --> 00:35:47.040 team of the yoga school. 00:35:48.390 --> 00:35:50.271 The first thing I 00:35:50.271 --> 00:35:54.030 went to is such an intro. 00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.730 They have an intro night. 00:35:55.730 --> 00:35:57.211 It is free, so you don’ 00:35:57.211 --> 00:35:58.171 t have to pay for this 00:35:58.171 --> 00:35:59.671 introduction. 00:36:00.990 --> 00:36:03.151 And that was stopped, so 00:36:03.151 --> 00:36:04.610 where you are now in retrospect, 00:36:04.610 --> 00:36:05.931 yes, you stop to pull 00:36:05.931 --> 00:36:07.650 people in some way. 00:36:08.230 --> 00:36:10.091 There are about 30 people 00:36:10.091 --> 00:36:13.110 in the yoga hall. They sit on 00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.151 the floor, cries, laughs 00:36:15.151 --> 00:36:16.271 and then their eyes turn 00:36:16.271 --> 00:36:17.111 to a TV. 00:36:17.111 --> 00:36:18.911 It now features testimonials, 00:36:18.911 --> 00:36:21.351 videos of people who are 00:36:21.351 --> 00:36:22.511 already in school 00:36:22.511 --> 00:36:24.370 and telling how great 00:36:24.370 --> 00:36:26.250 yoga is there. 00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:27.591 Yes, then they put it 00:36:27.591 --> 00:36:28.831 out, then made the music 00:36:28.831 --> 00:36:30.850 and then it stopped coming in. 00:36:32.680 --> 00:36:35.160 This is the yoga teacher. 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.900 She comes, no, she is going in. 00:36:37.900 --> 00:36:38.741 And everyone who 00:36:38.741 --> 00:36:41.120 sits there is now looking at her. 00:36:41.220 --> 00:36:43.220 That is what Natalie still remembers. 00:36:43.770 --> 00:36:45.151 In itself, she is also 00:36:45.151 --> 00:36:45.971 a real phenomenon because she 00:36:45.971 --> 00:36:47.551 is a super beautiful Eastern 00:36:47.551 --> 00:36:49.530 European woman. 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:50.571 So it falls off somehow 00:36:50.571 --> 00:36:51.391 and then it’s opened 00:36:51.391 --> 00:36:53.590 up and so on. 00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:54.931 Not as hippie as everyone 00:36:54.931 --> 00:36:56.431 else who is there. 00:36:57.850 --> 00:36:59.191 The yoga teacher speaks to 00:36:59.191 --> 00:37:01.330 the participants in English. 00:37:01.330 --> 00:37:02.211 She talks about the basics 00:37:02.211 --> 00:37:03.491 of yoga, the learning 00:37:03.491 --> 00:37:05.451 content and... 00:37:05.451 --> 00:37:06.991 What Tantra is and how 00:37:06.991 --> 00:37:08.831 great it is and that school 00:37:08.831 --> 00:37:10.091 is the only school that 00:37:10.091 --> 00:37:11.830 offers such a true 00:37:11.830 --> 00:37:13.331 Tantra in some way 00:37:13.331 --> 00:37:14.831 and so on. 00:37:15.390 --> 00:37:18.130 Then there is another exercise at the end. 00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:19.331 We did such an 00:37:19.331 --> 00:37:21.010 angel walk. 00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.730 What is the name of the angel? Angel Walk is. 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:25.791 For the Angel Walk, all 00:37:25.791 --> 00:37:27.231 Tantra students stand 00:37:27.231 --> 00:37:29.510 in a row side by side. 00:37:29.790 --> 00:37:32.870 And then you run past them. 00:37:32.870 --> 00:37:34.351 You run with your eyes closed 00:37:34.351 --> 00:37:37.131 and everyone is somehow 00:37:37.131 --> 00:37:38.631 struggling with you. 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.180 Natalie is taking a Tantra course. 00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:44.760 She lives in a hostel in Rishikesh, but 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.001 her whole life is now taking 00:37:46.001 --> 00:37:48.200 place in the yoga school. 00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:49.880 It opens its chakras, meditates, 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.440 releases energies. 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.701 For four months, every day two 00:37:54.701 --> 00:37:56.140 hours in the morning, six 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:58.020 hours in the afternoon. 00:37:58.220 --> 00:37:59.761 It pulls them into this school 00:37:59.761 --> 00:38:01.900 like the sand. 00:38:02.720 --> 00:38:04.881 This made you super tight 00:38:04.881 --> 00:38:05.540 with all the people 00:38:05.540 --> 00:38:06.301 in the group. 00:38:06.301 --> 00:38:08.961 Then I went out to 00:38:08.961 --> 00:38:09.601 eat with them or 00:38:09.601 --> 00:38:11.300 something. 00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:12.141 It was really super, 00:38:12.141 --> 00:38:14.660 super close. 00:38:15.180 --> 00:38:17.121 Only the one with whom Nathalie 00:38:17.121 --> 00:38:18.960 would prefer to spend time is more 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.620 likely to stand away. 00:38:20.620 --> 00:38:22.360 Jasper from the Teacher’s Team. 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.860 So they were a bit, yes, 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.461 so they were a bit special, 00:38:26.461 --> 00:38:28.200 you know? 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.700 At a higher level because 00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:32.040 they were. Yes exactly. 00:38:32.600 --> 00:38:35.301 Okay is. You didn’t 00:38:35.301 --> 00:38:36.981 get to him like 00:38:36.981 --> 00:38:38.000 that, right? 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.500 No, no no 00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:44.101 Natalie wins Jasper relatively 00:38:44.101 --> 00:38:45.900 quickly for a date. 00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:47.581 The two are together, they meet, they 00:38:47.581 --> 00:38:49.120 get together. 00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:51.640 But one thing annoys Nathan. 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:52.881 Because he really did a 00:38:52.881 --> 00:38:54.621 lot at the beginning, so somehow 00:38:54.621 --> 00:38:55.540 he has let the teacher 00:38:55.540 --> 00:38:57.481 hang out, so according to 00:38:57.481 --> 00:38:58.600 the motto, I will tell you 00:38:58.600 --> 00:38:59.561 now how it works. And I 00:38:59.561 --> 00:39:00.361 was, yes, but I don’ 00:39:00.361 --> 00:39:01.041 t want to know. 00:39:01.041 --> 00:39:02.861 Cool that you are doing Tantra 00:39:02.861 --> 00:39:04.381 here, but that’s not 00:39:04.381 --> 00:39:05.881 you now. 00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:07.501 Natalie doesn’t know yet, 00:39:07.501 --> 00:39:09.761 but Jasper lives and breathes 00:39:09.761 --> 00:39:12.780 Tantra and the teachings of the school. 00:39:13.020 --> 00:39:14.521 And he follows the advice of 00:39:14.521 --> 00:39:15.441 the founder of the 00:39:15.441 --> 00:39:18.320 yoga movement, his guru. 00:39:22.940 --> 00:39:24.721 Natalie gets nothing from this 00:39:24.721 --> 00:39:26.561 guru in the Tantra classes, 00:39:26.561 --> 00:39:27.720 although she sees 00:39:27.720 --> 00:39:28.801 him every day, on 00:39:28.801 --> 00:39:30.541 a picture in the yoga 00:39:30.541 --> 00:39:31.241 school. 00:39:31.241 --> 00:39:32.660 So that was a photo, 00:39:32.660 --> 00:39:33.721 relatively small too, so now 00:39:33.721 --> 00:39:35.641 not so mega, here is the Guru- 00:39:35.641 --> 00:39:37.520 Kerl, so not at all. 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:38.841 He was younger, so 00:39:38.841 --> 00:39:40.640 he had black hair. 00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:43.900 His name is Gregorian Bivolaru. 00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:47.000 They all speak Grieg, with G. 00:39:47.160 --> 00:39:48.621 Nathalie learns about this 00:39:48.621 --> 00:39:49.961 months after her first 00:39:49.961 --> 00:39:53.340 visit to school, in March 2020. 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:54.520 Yes, this was the first 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:55.441 time I got such a wind, 00:39:55.441 --> 00:39:57.501 from all this 00:39:57.501 --> 00:39:59.140 Guru story. 00:39:59.720 --> 00:40:02.500 It is Bivolarus’s birthday. 00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:04.080 He celebrates it somewhere else, 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:05.440 not in Rishikesh. 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:06.541 But there in school, a 00:40:06.541 --> 00:40:08.301 meditation takes place on him, 00:40:08.301 --> 00:40:10.400 Natalie tells me. 00:40:10.620 --> 00:40:11.541 There was six hours of 00:40:11.541 --> 00:40:12.720 music. 00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:14.021 And then you just sit there 00:40:14.021 --> 00:40:15.101 with your eyes closed and 00:40:15.101 --> 00:40:18.080 connect with the Guru. 00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:19.381 Because it is supposed that 00:40:19.381 --> 00:40:21.861 the thing is stopping, that 00:40:21.861 --> 00:40:24.321 he then meditates in that moment 00:40:24.321 --> 00:40:25.701 and somehow connects with 00:40:25.701 --> 00:40:26.440 us and whatever. 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.581 Nathalie feels no connection with 00:40:28.581 --> 00:40:30.161 Grieg during these six hours, 00:40:30.161 --> 00:40:31.861 but with the people around 00:40:31.861 --> 00:40:32.820 her. 00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:33.761 I know I thought 00:40:33.761 --> 00:40:34.780 at the moment, so wow, 00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:36.201 it’s nice that 00:40:36.201 --> 00:40:41.441 he has formed 00:40:41.441 --> 00:40:44.860 such a community. 00:40:45.560 --> 00:40:47.421 This type, which the Yogis in 00:40:47.421 --> 00:40:48.761 this Indian school celebrate 00:40:48.761 --> 00:40:50.601 so much, who Nathalie is supposed 00:40:50.601 --> 00:40:52.401 to connect with for hours, is confronted 00:40:52.401 --> 00:40:54.781 by a long planned operation 00:40:54.781 --> 00:40:56.481 in France three 00:40:56.481 --> 00:40:59.380 and a half years later. 00:41:01.220 --> 00:41:02.761 On a Tuesday in November 00:41:02.761 --> 00:41:07.441 2023, 175 French police officers 00:41:07.441 --> 00:41:09.900 are dispatched. 00:41:10.060 --> 00:41:11.760 They are dressed in dark, 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.060 wearing guns and storm caps. 00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:15.641 They have various places in Paris 00:41:15.641 --> 00:41:17.201 and surroundings, but also in 00:41:17.201 --> 00:41:19.320 Southern France on their list. 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.681 Let them do the raids. 00:41:21.681 --> 00:41:24.841 Among them is an apartment complex in 00:41:24.841 --> 00:41:27.960 Ivry-sur-Seine, southeast of Paris. 00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:29.441 Here, in an apartment 00:41:29.441 --> 00:41:30.981 on the ground floor, he 00:41:30.981 --> 00:41:31.900 should hide. 00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:35.081 Gregorian Bivolaru, the Guru 00:41:35.081 --> 00:41:37.061 of Nathalie, the Guru of 00:41:37.061 --> 00:41:39.260 Jasper and Liz. 00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:42.601 The police have been 00:41:42.601 --> 00:41:45.040 ordered to arrest him. 00:41:56.110 --> 00:41:59.210 This is yoga for beginners. 00:41:59.370 --> 00:42:00.491 The first episode 00:42:00.491 --> 00:42:02.710 of Toxic Tantra. 00:42:03.990 --> 00:42:05.691 You can find all the results in 00:42:05.691 --> 00:42:07.670 the ARD audiothek. 00:42:07.870 --> 00:42:09.870 If you like Soulfighter, 00:42:09.870 --> 00:42:11.350 then go subscribe, write 00:42:11.350 --> 00:42:12.571 a comment and give 00:42:12.571 --> 00:42:14.110 us a few stars. 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