WEBVTT 00:00:04.900 --> 00:00:07.221 You can find all the episodes of 00:00:07.221 --> 00:00:07.961 this podcast in the 00:00:07.961 --> 00:00:10.041 ARD audio library and everywhere 00:00:10.041 --> 00:00:11.541 there are podcasts. 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.080 Tuesday on the 28. 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:19.921 November 2023, early in the morning 00:00:19.921 --> 00:00:21.621 in Yverie-sur-Seine, very 00:00:21.621 --> 00:00:23.100 close to Paris. 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:24.761 Dark-dressed police officers with 00:00:24.761 --> 00:00:26.161 guns and storm caps steer 00:00:26.161 --> 00:00:28.401 into an apartment on the ground floor 00:00:28.401 --> 00:00:30.260 of an apartment complex. 00:00:30.260 --> 00:00:31.861 White rolling rods over 00:00:31.861 --> 00:00:33.401 terrace windows and doors block 00:00:33.401 --> 00:00:35.400 the view into the interior. 00:00:35.800 --> 00:00:37.900 Police are storming the apartment. 00:00:38.360 --> 00:00:41.340 They are looking for Gregorian Vivolaro, 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.101 the so-called guru of the 00:00:43.101 --> 00:00:45.040 Atman yoga movement. 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:48.181 Approximately so it should 00:00:48.181 --> 00:00:49.681 have been. 00:00:50.160 --> 00:00:51.441 A few hours later, 00:00:51.441 --> 00:00:52.701 my colleague Christiane 00:00:52.701 --> 00:00:54.121 Havranek and I got 00:00:54.121 --> 00:00:56.360 news on the phones. 00:00:56.360 --> 00:00:57.700 of the outgoing women. 00:00:57.700 --> 00:00:59.661 We are currently in contact 00:00:59.661 --> 00:01:01.181 with over a dozen 00:01:01.181 --> 00:01:02.820 women and men. 00:01:02.980 --> 00:01:04.940 Some people give us the information. 00:01:04.980 --> 00:01:06.501 Grigorian Bivolaru 00:01:06.501 --> 00:01:08.800 wasly arrested in France. 00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:11.280 You know it from trusted sources. 00:01:11.820 --> 00:01:13.880 We try to check the news, contact 00:01:13.880 --> 00:01:15.141 the police and prosecutors 00:01:15.141 --> 00:01:16.860 in Paris, get as much 00:01:16.860 --> 00:01:19.040 information as possible. 00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:21.400 And then, later in the 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:22.521 day, the news suddenly 00:01:22.521 --> 00:01:24.101 spreads all over the 00:01:24.101 --> 00:01:25.260 French media. 00:01:25.260 --> 00:01:27.300 Also in the main news. 00:01:36.440 --> 00:01:39.160 The operation was successful. 00:01:39.340 --> 00:01:41.061 Police arrested Gregorian 00:01:41.061 --> 00:01:42.800 Bivolaru. 00:01:43.100 --> 00:01:44.621 On television images, instead 00:01:44.621 --> 00:01:46.321 of a door, you can see only 00:01:46.321 --> 00:01:47.801 lock-out boards that close 00:01:47.801 --> 00:01:49.301 the entrance. 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:50.840 sealed by the police. 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:52.961 It is written on French 00:01:52.961 --> 00:01:55.501 apartment GB and a list 00:01:55.501 --> 00:01:57.001 of crimes. 00:01:57.240 --> 00:01:58.661 The Paris prosecutor’s office 00:01:58.661 --> 00:02:00.720 is investigating rape, human 00:02:00.720 --> 00:02:01.820 trafficking, abuse 00:02:01.820 --> 00:02:03.061 of trust of protection 00:02:03.061 --> 00:02:03.981 officers and abduction 00:02:03.981 --> 00:02:05.521 within an organized 00:02:05.521 --> 00:02:07.120 gang. 00:02:07.900 --> 00:02:09.901 In addition to Bivolaru, 40 other 00:02:09.901 --> 00:02:10.961 suspects are still 00:02:10.961 --> 00:02:12.461 in police custody. 00:02:12.620 --> 00:02:13.721 All with Romanian citizenship, 00:02:13.721 --> 00:02:15.020 we will learn later 00:02:15.020 --> 00:02:16.161 from the Paris prosecutor’ 00:02:16.161 --> 00:02:17.560 s office. 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.721 58 women were found in the 00:02:20.721 --> 00:02:22.680 house searches, most of them from 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.461 Romania, but also from other 00:02:24.461 --> 00:02:26.100 countries, for example. 00:02:26.100 --> 00:02:27.721 One from Germany, one from Argentina 00:02:27.721 --> 00:02:29.960 and one from America. 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:31.900 Media reports say the women 00:02:31.900 --> 00:02:33.740 were released and that they 00:02:33.740 --> 00:02:35.601 had previously been imprisoned 00:02:35.601 --> 00:02:36.940 under tight conditions 00:02:36.940 --> 00:02:38.061 and regrettable 00:02:38.061 --> 00:02:40.620 hygiene conditions. 00:02:41.300 --> 00:02:43.021 In the main news show of the 00:02:43.021 --> 00:02:44.341 major French television 00:02:44.341 --> 00:02:45.541 channel TFA, a neighbor 00:02:45.541 --> 00:02:47.181 of Bivolaru speaks 00:02:47.181 --> 00:02:49.740 in an interview, anonymous. 00:02:54.880 --> 00:02:57.541 The man says, once we saw 00:02:57.541 --> 00:02:58.901 a woman with connected eyes, 00:02:58.901 --> 00:02:59.960 but we never 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:01.180 suspected that it was 00:03:01.180 --> 00:03:02.780 something bad. 00:03:03.160 --> 00:03:04.840 Interesting neighborhood. 00:03:05.380 --> 00:03:06.341 We also report on the 00:03:06.341 --> 00:03:07.201 Bavarian radio about 00:03:07.201 --> 00:03:08.201 the arrest of the so- 00:03:08.201 --> 00:03:10.120 called yoga guru. 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:11.541 The outbound women 00:03:11.541 --> 00:03:12.820 we have contacted 00:03:12.820 --> 00:03:13.961 keep us up to 00:03:13.961 --> 00:03:14.841 date. 00:03:14.841 --> 00:03:16.541 For example, Nathalie via 00:03:16.541 --> 00:03:18.160 language message. 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:20.120 She has received information from insiders 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.360 that Bivolaru is in detention. 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:25.381 Hello, so, so Bivolaru is now 00:03:25.381 --> 00:03:27.760 in pre-trial detentions. 00:03:27.760 --> 00:03:29.340 So he doesn’t come out now. 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:30.880 This is Megagut. 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:31.581 I was a little scared 00:03:31.581 --> 00:03:33.600 that he would get out there. 00:03:33.600 --> 00:03:36.581 But now... yes, it’ 00:03:36.581 --> 00:03:39.000 s somehow very relieving. 00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:42.530 Someday it will be official. 00:03:42.530 --> 00:03:44.411 The court ordered the arrest 00:03:44.411 --> 00:03:45.951 of Gregorian Bivolaru 00:03:45.951 --> 00:03:48.190 and five other people. 00:03:48.230 --> 00:03:49.091 Leaders of the movement, 00:03:49.091 --> 00:03:50.151 it is said in some 00:03:50.151 --> 00:03:51.550 reports. 00:03:51.550 --> 00:03:53.951 Bivolaru is facing up to 30 years 00:03:53.951 --> 00:03:55.190 in prison. 00:03:55.190 --> 00:03:56.651 So, if the investigators can 00:03:56.651 --> 00:03:58.051 confirm the allegations 00:03:58.051 --> 00:03:59.650 and he is convicted. 00:04:00.130 --> 00:04:01.211 First of all, the presumption 00:04:01.211 --> 00:04:03.370 of innocence. 00:04:03.370 --> 00:04:05.530 The Romanian yoga school MISA, 00:04:05.530 --> 00:04:07.370 which Bivolaru founded, 00:04:07.370 --> 00:04:08.651 published a press release 00:04:08.651 --> 00:04:10.590 shortly afterwards. 00:04:10.610 --> 00:04:12.491 The allegations are unfounded. 00:04:12.491 --> 00:04:14.551 The women who were released 00:04:14.551 --> 00:04:16.070 were not victims at 00:04:16.070 --> 00:04:17.450 all, at most victims 00:04:17.450 --> 00:04:19.051 of a alleged brutal 00:04:19.051 --> 00:04:20.131 action by the 00:04:20.131 --> 00:04:21.910 French police. 00:04:22.490 --> 00:04:23.891 None of them considered 00:04:23.891 --> 00:04:25.410 themselves exploited, 00:04:25.410 --> 00:04:27.231 abused, dealt with or 00:04:27.231 --> 00:04:29.110 victim of rape. 00:04:29.750 --> 00:04:31.511 At the end of our research we 00:04:31.511 --> 00:04:32.211 will interview 00:04:32.211 --> 00:04:34.390 the MISA press spokeswoman. 00:04:34.390 --> 00:04:35.990 She will say in English that 00:04:35.990 --> 00:04:37.711 she has no doubt that Bivolaru 00:04:37.711 --> 00:04:39.830 is innocent. 00:04:41.250 --> 00:04:43.471 Christiane and I have been asking 00:04:43.471 --> 00:04:44.910 each other over and over again these 00:04:44.910 --> 00:04:46.531 days, what does this arrest do to 00:04:46.531 --> 00:04:48.031 the outgoing women? 00:04:48.170 --> 00:04:49.851 What do you feel about Nathalie 00:04:49.851 --> 00:04:51.351 and Liz? 00:04:51.370 --> 00:04:53.890 What about Bivolaru? 00:04:58.410 --> 00:05:00.190 This is Soulfanger, Season 00:05:00.190 --> 00:05:02.770 4, Toxic Tantra. 00:05:03.150 --> 00:05:04.611 A podcast by Christiane Havranek 00:05:04.611 --> 00:05:05.630 and me, Katja 00:05:05.630 --> 00:05:07.150 Peisen-Petersen. 00:05:07.970 --> 00:05:11.310 Episode 2 – Holy Guru. 00:05:14.460 --> 00:05:16.021 In this episode of Soulfighters, 00:05:16.021 --> 00:05:17.801 we want to find out what drew 00:05:17.801 --> 00:05:19.101 Nathalie and Liz into 00:05:19.101 --> 00:05:21.120 the yoga movement. 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:22.661 How it could happen that 00:05:22.661 --> 00:05:23.821 at first they just wanted 00:05:23.821 --> 00:05:25.221 to do yoga and tantra and 00:05:25.221 --> 00:05:27.041 eventually did not know 00:05:27.041 --> 00:05:27.880 each other. 00:05:27.880 --> 00:05:29.761 Nathalie, who is on the island 00:05:29.761 --> 00:05:31.601 in Thailand, she tells us 00:05:31.601 --> 00:05:33.260 her story by teams. 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:36.560 Nathalie takes us where 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:37.621 we left her story 00:05:37.621 --> 00:05:39.360 in Episode 1. 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.040 Rishikesh in India. 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.801 Here she has fallen 00:05:42.801 --> 00:05:44.200 into the yoga movement, 00:05:44.200 --> 00:05:46.900 which goes back to Gregorian Bivolaru. 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:48.341 Here she did yoga and tantra, 00:05:48.341 --> 00:05:50.561 attended the Angelwalk and 00:05:50.561 --> 00:05:52.900 meditated on her Guru. 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:54.241 And here she also met 00:05:54.241 --> 00:05:56.001 the well-looking Australian 00:05:56.001 --> 00:05:58.240 Jasper and fell in love with him. 00:06:00.500 --> 00:06:02.840 But now, in April 2020, 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:04.880 everything is over at a hit. 00:06:05.080 --> 00:06:07.040 Suddenly there was a corona. 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:09.001 Natalie sits alone in her hostel 00:06:09.001 --> 00:06:10.121 and takes the yoga 00:06:10.121 --> 00:06:11.241 lessons online. 00:06:11.241 --> 00:06:13.181 But at some point she can’t 00:06:13.181 --> 00:06:14.661 stand it anymore and her parents 00:06:14.661 --> 00:06:16.161 are stressed. 00:06:16.320 --> 00:06:17.421 She is then returning 00:06:17.421 --> 00:06:18.981 to Germany, to her 00:06:18.981 --> 00:06:20.481 mother. 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:21.641 So I know the first 00:06:21.641 --> 00:06:22.361 day I came home, 00:06:22.361 --> 00:06:23.081 we had such a huge 00:06:23.081 --> 00:06:24.861 quarrel. 00:06:24.861 --> 00:06:26.521 First, Nathalie’s mother 00:06:26.521 --> 00:06:28.121 must get out of all the worries 00:06:28.121 --> 00:06:29.341 she made about her daughter 00:06:29.341 --> 00:06:30.500 when she was sitting 00:06:30.500 --> 00:06:31.681 somewhere in India and 00:06:31.681 --> 00:06:34.460 Corona was grinding around her. 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:35.861 And now that Nathalie is 00:06:35.861 --> 00:06:37.481 finally back, her mom becomes 00:06:37.481 --> 00:06:38.221 aware that this 00:06:38.221 --> 00:06:40.321 yoga group in India has 00:06:40.321 --> 00:06:42.360 changed her daughter. 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:44.341 Suddenly I am completely different 00:06:44.341 --> 00:06:45.761 than I was before. 00:06:45.761 --> 00:06:48.480 Before, there was no spiritual, 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.980 not even in the direction. 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:51.281 And suddenly I was stopping, 00:06:51.281 --> 00:06:54.621 wow, completely turned to 00:06:54.621 --> 00:06:55.940 the left somehow. 00:06:55.940 --> 00:06:57.201 For example, the matter 00:06:57.201 --> 00:06:58.701 of meat. 00:06:58.760 --> 00:07:00.181 Her daughter, who previously 00:07:00.181 --> 00:07:01.820 had been eating chicken because 00:07:01.820 --> 00:07:03.780 she was doing bodybuilding, is 00:07:03.780 --> 00:07:04.701 now suddenly on a vegetarian 00:07:04.701 --> 00:07:05.801 journey. 00:07:05.801 --> 00:07:07.141 This is not dramatic, 00:07:07.141 --> 00:07:09.060 on the contrary. 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.220 But there are more changes. 00:07:11.220 --> 00:07:12.501 And the wondering Nathalie’ 00:07:12.501 --> 00:07:13.781 s mother not only, no, they 00:07:13.781 --> 00:07:15.240 alarm her. 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.841 Instead of going out and 00:07:16.841 --> 00:07:18.321 immersing her in her normal 00:07:18.321 --> 00:07:20.161 daily life, her daughter 00:07:20.161 --> 00:07:22.180 retreats to her room. 00:07:22.460 --> 00:07:24.900 She does yoga for hours. 00:07:25.020 --> 00:07:26.481 And in addition online lessons 00:07:26.481 --> 00:07:28.280 at the school in Rishikesh. 00:07:28.880 --> 00:07:30.321 She also fasted every 00:07:30.321 --> 00:07:31.700 Sunday to clean 00:07:31.700 --> 00:07:32.801 her body and 00:07:32.801 --> 00:07:34.220 soul. 00:07:34.220 --> 00:07:35.581 Once in a day, she 00:07:35.581 --> 00:07:37.480 eats only grains. 00:07:37.640 --> 00:07:38.881 It was a bit like that 00:07:38.881 --> 00:07:40.940 for my mom, is it okay? 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.180 Ohh... 00:07:42.180 --> 00:07:44.500 Yes, so it was difficult. 00:07:44.500 --> 00:07:46.421 It was difficult for her to... 00:07:46.421 --> 00:07:47.680 and understand. 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:48.941 In fact, Nathalie is in her 00:07:48.941 --> 00:07:49.561 minds especially 00:07:49.561 --> 00:07:51.021 at the yoga school and 00:07:51.021 --> 00:07:52.900 at her friend Jasper. 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.040 He has also left India. 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:56.961 He and a few other students 00:07:56.961 --> 00:07:58.261 from the yoga school 00:07:58.261 --> 00:08:00.260 flew to Romania. 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:04.221 There, in Romania, the origins 00:08:04.221 --> 00:08:06.820 of the yoga movement Atman lie. 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:08.221 This is the school where it 00:08:08.221 --> 00:08:09.720 all started. 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:11.081 She packed her bags 00:08:11.081 --> 00:08:12.900 and waited for 00:08:12.900 --> 00:08:13.801 the flights to 00:08:13.801 --> 00:08:15.301 start again. 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:16.801 Then I was the first plane 00:08:16.801 --> 00:08:18.720 that stopped, and 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:19.941 then I stopped for 00:08:19.941 --> 00:08:21.380 Romania. 00:08:21.380 --> 00:08:23.421 Nathalie will fly to Romania 00:08:23.421 --> 00:08:25.160 to live there. 00:08:25.620 --> 00:08:26.921 This decision will 00:08:26.921 --> 00:08:28.361 prove fatal. 00:08:28.361 --> 00:08:30.841 Your guru will play 00:08:30.841 --> 00:08:33.260 a central role. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.400 The Guru. The Guru again. 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.381 This is a YouTube video from 00:08:44.381 --> 00:08:47.400 a kind of MISA fan channel by Mr. 00:08:47.400 --> 00:08:48.700 and Leone. 00:08:48.700 --> 00:08:50.061 We see kitschy images of 00:08:50.061 --> 00:08:51.020 waves in which 00:08:51.020 --> 00:08:53.240 the sunlight is reflected. 00:08:53.400 --> 00:08:54.601 Women holding hands 00:08:54.601 --> 00:08:56.301 and turning around. 00:08:56.301 --> 00:08:57.441 There are also 00:08:57.441 --> 00:08:58.001 Catholic 00:08:58.001 --> 00:08:59.880 saints paintings. 00:09:00.300 --> 00:09:01.481 And above all, there is 00:09:01.481 --> 00:09:04.280 Gregorian Bivolaru, his voice. 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:06.341 He praises the blessings of 00:09:06.341 --> 00:09:07.680 blessings. 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:09.121 The Art of Blessing by 00:09:09.121 --> 00:09:10.980 Gregorian Bivolaru. 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:17.581 The effects that occur 00:09:17.581 --> 00:09:19.121 after a blessing 00:09:19.121 --> 00:09:20.521 and intensify over 00:09:20.521 --> 00:09:22.601 time are complex and 00:09:22.601 --> 00:09:24.461 diverse. 00:09:24.461 --> 00:09:26.300 Some of them last days, weeks, 00:09:26.300 --> 00:09:29.320 months, or even years. 00:09:31.170 --> 00:09:32.511 When Christiane and I 00:09:32.511 --> 00:09:34.190 started our investigation, 00:09:34.190 --> 00:09:35.431 we knew he was on the 00:09:35.431 --> 00:09:36.831 Interpol list for serious 00:09:36.831 --> 00:09:38.351 cases of human 00:09:38.351 --> 00:09:39.790 trafficking. 00:09:39.790 --> 00:09:40.611 This is 10 years 00:09:40.611 --> 00:09:42.350 imprisonment. 00:09:42.350 --> 00:09:44.530 And for sexual abuse. 00:09:44.530 --> 00:09:45.571 However, this accusation 00:09:45.571 --> 00:09:46.910 is outdated. 00:09:46.910 --> 00:09:48.791 But we also know that he 00:09:48.791 --> 00:09:49.911 is still admired by his 00:09:49.911 --> 00:09:51.430 followers. 00:09:51.750 --> 00:09:53.850 Photos of him, framed, 00:09:53.850 --> 00:09:55.451 hanging in several yoga schools, 00:09:55.451 --> 00:09:57.370 tell us outgoers. 00:09:57.490 --> 00:09:58.791 At our first visit 00:09:58.791 --> 00:10:00.550 to Berlin, we saw it. 00:10:00.550 --> 00:10:02.091 A framed photo of Gregorian 00:10:02.091 --> 00:10:04.151 Bivolaru was hanging there, surrounded 00:10:04.151 --> 00:10:05.211 by the images of other 00:10:05.211 --> 00:10:06.650 spiritual teachers, 00:10:06.650 --> 00:10:08.530 such as Jesus Christ. 00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:10.871 What is wrong with this 00:10:10.871 --> 00:10:12.990 man, as many call him? 00:10:13.170 --> 00:10:14.191 Why is he so revered 00:10:14.191 --> 00:10:15.890 by his followers, even 00:10:15.890 --> 00:10:16.831 though he has been 00:10:16.831 --> 00:10:18.371 internationally spotted 00:10:18.371 --> 00:10:19.871 for years? 00:10:25.820 --> 00:10:27.461 Gregorian Bivolaru grew 00:10:27.461 --> 00:10:30.020 up in Romania in the 1950s. 00:10:30.100 --> 00:10:31.561 In the 1960s, Nicola Ceausescu 00:10:31.561 --> 00:10:33.000 came to power. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:34.921 A ruthless dictator who builds 00:10:34.921 --> 00:10:35.941 huge magnificent buildings 00:10:35.941 --> 00:10:37.700 for himself while his people 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:39.360 are starving. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.381 Ceausescus’s secret service, the 00:10:41.381 --> 00:10:43.581 Securitate, brutally persecutes 00:10:43.581 --> 00:10:45.440 all who think differently. 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:49.941 Gregorian Bivolaru is one 00:10:49.941 --> 00:10:51.721 of those unadapted, so we read 00:10:51.721 --> 00:10:52.880 it on the Internet. 00:10:52.880 --> 00:10:54.781 He is already doing yoga, as in 00:10:54.781 --> 00:10:57.520 Romania hardly anyone knows what it is. 00:10:57.640 --> 00:10:59.361 At the age of 15, he read 00:10:59.361 --> 00:11:01.261 books in English and French on 00:11:01.261 --> 00:11:03.440 parapsychology, sex 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:04.721 sciences and esoteric 00:11:04.721 --> 00:11:06.800 traditions. 00:11:07.040 --> 00:11:08.341 This is written by a yoga 00:11:08.341 --> 00:11:09.360 teacher. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.001 He practiced yoga 00:11:11.001 --> 00:11:13.280 for 8 to 9 hours a day. 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.320 At 18 years old, he taught me that. 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:17.681 But someday he must do it in 00:11:17.681 --> 00:11:18.480 secret, because 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.801 yoga was banned in Romania 00:11:20.801 --> 00:11:22.060 in 1982. 00:11:22.060 --> 00:11:23.681 Bivolaru is arrested several 00:11:23.681 --> 00:11:24.981 times and even placed in a 00:11:24.981 --> 00:11:26.280 psychiatric hospital. 00:11:26.280 --> 00:11:27.201 Like many other critics 00:11:27.201 --> 00:11:28.800 of the regime. 00:11:28.860 --> 00:11:30.001 In a television interview, 00:11:30.001 --> 00:11:31.321 he talks about how he was being 00:11:31.321 --> 00:11:32.821 persecuted. 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:37.861 He says that he has always 00:11:37.861 --> 00:11:39.641 told the security that the accusations 00:11:39.641 --> 00:11:41.021 against him are not 00:11:41.021 --> 00:11:42.521 true. 00:11:42.620 --> 00:11:44.461 A real find for us is a 00:11:44.461 --> 00:11:46.061 documentary about Gregorian 00:11:46.061 --> 00:11:49.220 Bivolaru from 1995. 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.000 Also posted by mr. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.881 and Leone. Like Volaro, he tells a 00:11:53.881 --> 00:11:55.401 truly adventurous story 00:11:55.401 --> 00:11:56.840 of how he managed 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:58.021 to escape from the captivity 00:11:58.021 --> 00:12:00.020 of the Securitate. 00:12:02.740 --> 00:12:05.001 The fact is that I organized 00:12:05.001 --> 00:12:06.281 my escape from the prison 00:12:06.281 --> 00:12:07.481 of the Securitate by 00:12:07.481 --> 00:12:08.981 myself, from which, 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.521 as I was told later, 00:12:10.521 --> 00:12:13.480 no one had ever escaped. 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:16.361 The yoga procedures 00:12:16.361 --> 00:12:17.861 have helped me 00:12:17.861 --> 00:12:19.361 a lot. 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:20.921 And by combining certain 00:12:20.921 --> 00:12:22.641 telepathic and hypnotic 00:12:22.641 --> 00:12:23.861 procedures, I was 00:12:23.861 --> 00:12:25.521 able to accomplish 00:12:25.521 --> 00:12:27.021 this performance. 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:33.660 This is his version. 00:12:39.790 --> 00:12:43.590 This is the 1989 revolution. 00:12:43.970 --> 00:12:45.451 People in Bucharest are crying out 00:12:45.451 --> 00:12:47.970 on the streets for freedom, freedom. 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:50.830 The Ceaușescus regime collapsed. 00:12:51.590 --> 00:12:53.131 And Bivolaru is now celebrated 00:12:53.131 --> 00:12:54.590 by his followers. 00:12:54.590 --> 00:12:56.251 As one who is committed to 00:12:56.251 --> 00:12:58.790 spirituality and free thinking. 00:12:59.110 --> 00:13:02.351 Shortly after, in 1990, he founded 00:13:02.351 --> 00:13:04.211 MISA, which, as it is officially 00:13:04.211 --> 00:13:06.491 called, is a movement for spiritual integration 00:13:06.491 --> 00:13:09.010 into the Absolute. 00:13:09.350 --> 00:13:10.971 This is the first school of the yoga 00:13:10.971 --> 00:13:12.991 movement, the one with which 00:13:12.991 --> 00:13:14.491 it all begins. 00:13:14.650 --> 00:13:16.391 In the 1990s, the ashram 00:13:16.391 --> 00:13:18.471 in Romania was quite large, 00:13:18.471 --> 00:13:20.491 40 ashrams were said to have been in Romania 00:13:20.491 --> 00:13:21.831 alone and it is expanding 00:13:21.831 --> 00:13:23.730 to other countries. 00:13:23.810 --> 00:13:25.751 In a YouTube video from a 00:13:25.751 --> 00:13:28.271 Romanian local newspaper from 2017, Bivolaru 00:13:28.271 --> 00:13:30.810 praises himself and his school. 00:13:30.890 --> 00:13:32.990 It is a sort of press statement. 00:13:35.050 --> 00:13:37.471 I am very pleased with the progress of the 00:13:37.471 --> 00:13:39.930 activities at the yoga school Misa. 00:13:39.930 --> 00:13:41.291 It is the largest yoga school in 00:13:41.291 --> 00:13:43.890 Europe and is constantly expanding. 00:13:46.810 --> 00:13:48.431 Bivolaru is still considered 00:13:48.431 --> 00:13:50.591 by his followers today as a wise 00:13:50.591 --> 00:13:52.331 man, an enlightened 00:13:52.331 --> 00:13:54.631 man, a spiritual teacher, 00:13:54.631 --> 00:13:56.151 and because of his past, 00:13:56.151 --> 00:13:57.711 he has always been wrongly 00:13:57.711 --> 00:13:59.531 persecuted for political 00:13:59.531 --> 00:14:01.990 or religious reasons. 00:14:02.430 --> 00:14:03.991 His supporters still think so 00:14:03.991 --> 00:14:05.690 in 2004. 00:14:05.710 --> 00:14:06.291 Someone 00:14:06.291 --> 00:14:08.211 points to Bivolaru because he 00:14:08.211 --> 00:14:09.811 is alleged to have a sexual relationship 00:14:09.811 --> 00:14:11.171 with a minor yoga student. 00:14:11.171 --> 00:14:12.671 00:14:12.730 --> 00:14:14.971 Bivolaru is briefly imprisoned, 00:14:14.971 --> 00:14:16.711 but is released, settles 00:14:16.711 --> 00:14:18.970 abroad and submerges. 00:14:19.170 --> 00:14:21.151 He even received political asylum 00:14:21.151 --> 00:14:23.010 from Sweden. 00:14:23.290 --> 00:14:24.391 The authorities have talked 00:14:24.391 --> 00:14:25.431 to some of his followers 00:14:25.431 --> 00:14:27.590 and are of the opinion that yes, 00:14:27.590 --> 00:14:29.111 Bivolaru is being persecuted 00:14:29.111 --> 00:14:30.031 for his religious 00:14:30.031 --> 00:14:31.610 beliefs. 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:36.361 In 2013, he was sentenced 00:14:36.361 --> 00:14:37.821 to six years in prison 00:14:37.821 --> 00:14:39.301 for having sex with 00:14:39.301 --> 00:14:40.801 a minor. 00:14:40.820 --> 00:14:42.380 He is not in the country. 00:14:43.970 --> 00:14:45.551 When investigated against 00:14:45.551 --> 00:14:47.330 Bivolaru, he has a lawyer, 00:14:47.330 --> 00:14:48.611 of whom we read on the 00:14:48.611 --> 00:14:49.510 internet. 00:14:49.510 --> 00:14:52.330 His name is Mihai Raptcha. 00:14:52.490 --> 00:14:54.411 The interesting thing about 00:14:54.411 --> 00:14:55.811 him, he was apparently himself 00:14:55.811 --> 00:14:57.551 a supporter of the movement, but has 00:14:57.551 --> 00:14:59.571 now resigned and posted warnings 00:14:59.571 --> 00:15:01.730 on his blog before the school. 00:15:02.130 --> 00:15:03.531 He is a lawyer and lives 00:15:03.531 --> 00:15:05.110 in Bucharest. 00:15:05.390 --> 00:15:06.810 We write him. 00:15:06.810 --> 00:15:07.891 Maybe he has documents 00:15:07.891 --> 00:15:10.110 from then, notes, something 00:15:10.110 --> 00:15:11.650 that can help us. 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:15.781 While we are waiting for a 00:15:15.781 --> 00:15:17.421 response from him, we talk 00:15:17.421 --> 00:15:18.601 to Nathalie, who lives 00:15:18.601 --> 00:15:19.740 on the Thai island. 00:15:19.740 --> 00:15:21.381 We want to know more about 00:15:21.381 --> 00:15:23.080 your time in Romania. 00:15:23.780 --> 00:15:24.921 We are back in team 00:15:24.921 --> 00:15:26.421 with her. 00:15:26.740 --> 00:15:28.101 Nathalie tells us that no 00:15:28.101 --> 00:15:29.261 one in school has done 00:15:29.261 --> 00:15:30.680 a big thing, from the 00:15:30.680 --> 00:15:31.921 Interpol list with Bivolaru 00:15:31.921 --> 00:15:33.020 on it. 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:34.101 Everyone knows he is 00:15:34.101 --> 00:15:36.460 being hide, being pursued. 00:15:36.660 --> 00:15:38.281 That is so common 00:15:38.281 --> 00:15:39.740 knowledge. 00:15:39.740 --> 00:15:41.041 Nathalie is told, just like 00:15:41.041 --> 00:15:42.920 other yoga students, that Bivolaru 00:15:42.920 --> 00:15:44.441 is being persecuted for political 00:15:44.441 --> 00:15:45.960 reasons, just like it 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:47.561 was during Communism. 00:15:47.561 --> 00:15:49.421 There are some evil forces 00:15:49.421 --> 00:15:50.900 in the game. 00:15:50.900 --> 00:15:53.461 Because of course he wants 00:15:53.461 --> 00:15:56.360 to bring a lot of good to this earth. 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:57.781 And then all the demons 00:15:57.781 --> 00:16:00.601 go back somehow 00:16:00.601 --> 00:16:02.560 and then pursue him. 00:16:02.560 --> 00:16:03.761 And then the demons of course 00:16:03.761 --> 00:16:05.581 also infiltrate all people 00:16:05.581 --> 00:16:08.540 somehow and then start chasing 00:16:08.540 --> 00:16:11.000 him. The Demons. 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:11.881 This is why the school 00:16:11.881 --> 00:16:12.921 justifies so much. 00:16:12.921 --> 00:16:15.001 He must hide half 00:16:15.001 --> 00:16:16.120 now. 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:16.901 It’s not because he 00:16:16.901 --> 00:16:18.800 did something wrong or so, but because 00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:19.901 all of this is just the 00:16:19.901 --> 00:16:21.460 demons who want 00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:23.600 to keep him from doing 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.100 good. 00:16:30.170 --> 00:16:31.150 Okay is. 00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:32.771 The devil story can not really 00:16:32.771 --> 00:16:33.591 get away from 00:16:33.591 --> 00:16:35.270 Nathalie from the beginning. 00:16:35.290 --> 00:16:37.350 It is simply too clarified for that. 00:16:37.530 --> 00:16:38.731 In fact, when Nathalie arrived 00:16:38.731 --> 00:16:40.450 in Bucharest, the whole 00:16:40.450 --> 00:16:42.890 Guru thing doesn’t matter. 00:16:43.010 --> 00:16:43.951 She just wants to be with 00:16:43.951 --> 00:16:45.910 her friend and do yoga, in this 00:16:45.910 --> 00:16:47.330 wonderful community. 00:16:47.330 --> 00:16:49.591 People are now speaking 00:16:49.591 --> 00:16:52.070 Grieg more and more often. 00:16:52.650 --> 00:16:53.711 And then I was told, 00:16:53.711 --> 00:16:56.310 yes, stop somehow with a daily 00:16:56.590 --> 00:16:58.291 meditation with his 00:16:58.291 --> 00:16:59.791 picture. 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:02.131 Nathalie gets pictures pressed 00:17:02.131 --> 00:17:04.790 into her hand, with Bivolaru on it. 00:17:04.910 --> 00:17:06.451 She puts it down and looks 00:17:06.451 --> 00:17:08.350 at the first photo. 00:17:08.670 --> 00:17:10.051 Bivolaru, a man wholly 00:17:10.051 --> 00:17:11.730 strange to her, looks 00:17:11.730 --> 00:17:12.771 at you with a 00:17:12.771 --> 00:17:14.710 gentle smile. 00:17:14.710 --> 00:17:16.811 Nathalie tries to connect 00:17:16.811 --> 00:17:18.331 with him in peace. 00:17:18.331 --> 00:17:19.871 That was where I think now, 00:17:19.871 --> 00:17:23.650 so, boah, it didn’t go at all. 00:17:24.010 --> 00:17:25.631 In the man in whom others 00:17:25.631 --> 00:17:27.130 see her guru, Nathalie 00:17:27.130 --> 00:17:28.671 sees only an unattractive 00:17:28.671 --> 00:17:31.031 old guy with bedroom 00:17:31.031 --> 00:17:32.871 view and white 00:17:32.871 --> 00:17:34.010 hair. 00:17:34.010 --> 00:17:35.211 I actually had such 00:17:35.211 --> 00:17:36.970 problems when I did this 00:17:36.970 --> 00:17:39.330 meditation. 00:17:39.330 --> 00:17:40.531 I was like that, boah, I 00:17:40.531 --> 00:17:41.551 don’t have a buck at all. 00:17:41.551 --> 00:17:43.051 And that’s all, so where 00:17:43.051 --> 00:17:44.530 I actually got really angry. 00:17:44.530 --> 00:17:45.291 So right, Boah, I don’t 00:17:45.291 --> 00:17:46.791 want to do that. 00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:49.390 Nathalie’s yoga teachers are trying 00:17:49.390 --> 00:17:50.931 to convince her of this meditation 00:17:50.931 --> 00:17:52.991 on Bivolaru, she says. 00:17:52.991 --> 00:17:54.371 Of course, this was told 00:17:54.371 --> 00:17:54.930 to me. 00:17:54.930 --> 00:17:56.431 So, yes, this is all just 00:17:56.431 --> 00:17:58.550 a spiritual test. 00:17:58.570 --> 00:17:59.331 If you have any problems 00:17:59.331 --> 00:18:00.351 with it, give it to all 00:18:00.351 --> 00:18:02.191 this Guru and with 00:18:02.191 --> 00:18:05.030 him, spiritual test. 00:18:05.030 --> 00:18:06.011 These are the demons who 00:18:06.011 --> 00:18:07.790 want to prevent you from 00:18:07.890 --> 00:18:09.830 getting in touch with your guru. 00:18:11.490 --> 00:18:13.591 For sect experts, this is 00:18:13.591 --> 00:18:16.070 a red flag, a feature that 00:18:16.070 --> 00:18:18.050 should be watched out for. 00:18:18.250 --> 00:18:19.871 People with power manipulate 00:18:19.871 --> 00:18:21.151 others so that they no 00:18:21.151 --> 00:18:22.951 longer trust themselves, their 00:18:22.951 --> 00:18:24.451 own intuition. 00:18:24.530 --> 00:18:26.250 This is also called gaslighting. 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:28.071 Nathalie still doesn’t 00:18:28.071 --> 00:18:29.310 believe in demons, but 00:18:29.310 --> 00:18:31.051 at the spiritual tests she 00:18:31.051 --> 00:18:32.551 bites. 00:18:32.630 --> 00:18:34.051 This theory is known to her from 00:18:34.051 --> 00:18:35.530 her Tantra courses. 00:18:35.530 --> 00:18:37.331 So, life holds various tests 00:18:37.331 --> 00:18:38.511 ready for one. 00:18:38.511 --> 00:18:40.531 Either you master them and 00:18:40.531 --> 00:18:42.291 go up a ladder or you 00:18:42.291 --> 00:18:44.350 don’t and you fall down. 00:18:44.630 --> 00:18:45.871 Is the meditation on Bivolaru 00:18:45.871 --> 00:18:47.751 for Nathalie also a test 00:18:47.751 --> 00:18:49.210 at the end? 00:18:49.210 --> 00:18:50.170 Where I am now in retrospect, 00:18:50.170 --> 00:18:52.190 that was full of my intuition, 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:54.811 so that’s all bullshit and then I 00:18:54.811 --> 00:18:56.130 stopped giving it up at some point. 00:18:56.130 --> 00:18:56.471 So I was like that 00:18:56.471 --> 00:18:57.431 then, boah, I don’t have a buck at 00:18:57.431 --> 00:18:59.050 that now, that doesn’t work. 00:18:59.250 --> 00:19:00.511 Nathalie puts Bivolaru 00:19:00.511 --> 00:19:01.911 aside and does 00:19:01.911 --> 00:19:03.051 what she came 00:19:03.051 --> 00:19:05.050 to Bucharest for. 00:19:05.050 --> 00:19:06.911 She does yoga, she does tantra, 00:19:06.911 --> 00:19:08.951 she meditates, she is traveling 00:19:08.951 --> 00:19:10.751 with the people from the yoga school 00:19:10.751 --> 00:19:11.951 and she meets her friend 00:19:11.951 --> 00:19:13.451 Jasper. 00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:18.740 For a while it goes well. 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:21.080 But then Nathalie finds out. 00:19:21.820 --> 00:19:23.521 Something that will change everything 00:19:23.521 --> 00:19:25.021 for you. 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.761 She learns, Jasper, he 00:19:27.761 --> 00:19:29.261 is not just with her. 00:19:29.620 --> 00:19:30.781 He has had another girlfriend 00:19:30.781 --> 00:19:32.300 for a long time. 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:34.000 One from school. 00:19:34.040 --> 00:19:35.980 When I then found out that 00:19:35.980 --> 00:19:37.701 he was with someone 00:19:37.701 --> 00:19:39.560 else all the time, that 00:19:39.560 --> 00:19:41.840 was my spiritual test. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.460 So then not to say, okay, 00:19:43.460 --> 00:19:46.761 that was, Hase, see you 00:19:46.761 --> 00:19:49.380 never, so. That was my test. 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:51.220 Another test again. 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:52.801 Where I was then told all 00:19:52.801 --> 00:19:54.581 the time, yes, and if you 00:19:54.581 --> 00:19:55.441 have any problem, there 00:19:55.441 --> 00:19:57.640 are only the demons. 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:59.280 You just have to let go of it. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.021 When Nathalie talks about 00:20:01.021 --> 00:20:03.081 teams, Christiane has to follow. 00:20:03.081 --> 00:20:05.320 And who said that? 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.160 I am mine, he is. 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.001 also also. Jasper was in it, 00:20:10.001 --> 00:20:12.060 and then he justified everything. 00:20:12.060 --> 00:20:12.741 According to the motto, yes, that’ 00:20:12.741 --> 00:20:14.241 s all your bite. 00:20:14.260 --> 00:20:16.200 Our teachers too all the time, 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.741 and then the boundaries 00:20:17.741 --> 00:20:20.000 are a bit weird. 00:20:20.080 --> 00:20:21.041 That you go to your 00:20:21.041 --> 00:20:21.821 yoga teachers with 00:20:21.821 --> 00:20:22.541 your relationship 00:20:22.541 --> 00:20:24.260 problems and say yes, and 00:20:24.260 --> 00:20:25.361 now that and that is happening. 00:20:25.361 --> 00:20:26.300 00:20:26.300 --> 00:20:29.021 And then... yes, their input 00:20:29.021 --> 00:20:29.821 is always that, yes, 00:20:29.821 --> 00:20:30.581 it’s all demonic 00:20:30.581 --> 00:20:31.921 and divine and blablabla, 00:20:31.921 --> 00:20:34.160 so hardcore. 00:20:36.360 --> 00:20:38.661 Yes, Natalie also goes with 00:20:38.661 --> 00:20:39.921 her relationship problems to 00:20:39.921 --> 00:20:41.421 her yoga teachers. 00:20:41.900 --> 00:20:43.401 They represent the doctrine that 00:20:43.401 --> 00:20:44.821 the freedom of an open relationship 00:20:44.821 --> 00:20:46.421 is good for spiritual 00:20:46.421 --> 00:20:47.500 development. 00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:50.240 Jealousy has nothing to look for. 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:52.901 So Natalies yoga teachers advise 00:20:52.901 --> 00:20:54.201 her to overcome jealousy 00:20:54.201 --> 00:20:56.300 with various exercises. 00:20:56.300 --> 00:20:58.940 Yoga, meditation and so on. 00:21:04.110 --> 00:21:06.370 No matter how much she tries, 00:21:06.370 --> 00:21:07.471 Nathalie doesn’t get 00:21:07.471 --> 00:21:08.711 to share Jasper with 00:21:08.711 --> 00:21:10.130 another. 00:21:10.130 --> 00:21:12.510 Jealousy eats them. 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:14.051 When it really went 00:21:14.051 --> 00:21:16.371 down with Jasper, I was 00:21:16.371 --> 00:21:17.530 told of course again, because 00:21:17.530 --> 00:21:18.631 I had so many problems 00:21:18.631 --> 00:21:21.131 now that he could 00:21:21.131 --> 00:21:22.631 help me so. 00:21:23.350 --> 00:21:25.491 He is Bivolaru, the spiritual 00:21:25.491 --> 00:21:28.230 teacher, her guru, the type on 00:21:28.510 --> 00:21:29.251 the Interpol list, 00:21:29.251 --> 00:21:31.091 the type on which she cannot 00:21:31.091 --> 00:21:32.871 meditate, no matter how much 00:21:32.871 --> 00:21:34.970 she tries, because everything 00:21:34.970 --> 00:21:36.451 in her is swirling against 00:21:36.451 --> 00:21:37.530 him. 00:21:37.530 --> 00:21:40.550 Is it he who is going to help her now? 00:21:41.530 --> 00:21:43.830 Nathalie is desperate. 00:21:44.070 --> 00:21:46.290 She wants to save her relationship. 00:21:46.290 --> 00:21:47.671 And then I actually 00:21:47.671 --> 00:21:48.731 came to the trail, 00:21:48.731 --> 00:21:49.510 so, okay, now 00:21:49.510 --> 00:21:50.471 I'm writing him 00:21:50.471 --> 00:21:51.971 a letter. 00:21:52.290 --> 00:21:53.971 She sits down and writes 00:21:53.971 --> 00:21:55.590 Bivolaru. 00:21:55.630 --> 00:21:57.150 I hope he can help her 00:21:57.150 --> 00:21:58.770 overcome her jealousy. 00:21:58.770 --> 00:22:01.390 He has some tips for you. 00:22:01.910 --> 00:22:03.391 To this letter she also added 00:22:03.391 --> 00:22:05.170 a photo of herself. 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:07.170 A selfie of her face. 00:22:07.270 --> 00:22:08.591 That, she heard, needs 00:22:08.591 --> 00:22:11.410 Vivolaro to read her aura. 00:22:11.990 --> 00:22:13.651 We will be stumbling on the aura 00:22:13.651 --> 00:22:15.310 reading even more often. 00:22:15.310 --> 00:22:16.771 The best way to do this 00:22:16.771 --> 00:22:17.490 is if women 00:22:17.490 --> 00:22:18.851 are naked or only wearing 00:22:18.851 --> 00:22:20.590 bikinis. 00:22:21.030 --> 00:22:22.251 When Nathalie finishes her 00:22:22.251 --> 00:22:23.930 letter to her guru, she hands 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:25.191 it over to women in the 00:22:25.191 --> 00:22:26.850 yoga school, she tells us. 00:22:26.850 --> 00:22:29.630 She hopes he will answer her. 00:22:33.490 --> 00:22:35.610 You have heard it yourself. 00:22:35.610 --> 00:22:36.731 Nathalie on the island in 00:22:36.731 --> 00:22:38.751 Thailand takes us very deeply into 00:22:38.751 --> 00:22:41.090 her experiences from the yoga school. 00:22:41.330 --> 00:22:42.391 She even tells us about 00:22:42.391 --> 00:22:44.110 her diary posts. 00:22:44.370 --> 00:22:45.990 She seems completely cleared, 00:22:45.990 --> 00:22:47.231 as if she had already 00:22:47.231 --> 00:22:49.230 left behind what was. 00:22:51.840 --> 00:22:53.840 With Liz it is different. 00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:56.120 We met them one after another. 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:57.421 She is the one with a straight 00:22:57.421 --> 00:22:58.481 back on the red stream 00:22:58.481 --> 00:22:59.700 roof in the park. 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:01.641 We will go into an exchange 00:23:01.641 --> 00:23:03.260 with her right away, 00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:04.521 at the end of which 00:23:04.521 --> 00:23:06.340 we really care about her. 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:08.121 Liz has so far only 00:23:08.121 --> 00:23:09.461 made hints about her time 00:23:09.461 --> 00:23:10.880 at school. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:11.881 But when we wanted to 00:23:11.881 --> 00:23:13.560 ask her about the Guru, 00:23:13.580 --> 00:23:15.080 she stopped. 00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:17.041 Shortly after we met her 00:23:17.041 --> 00:23:19.380 in May 2023, 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:21.900 she sent us language messages. 00:23:22.060 --> 00:23:23.520 And she explains to us in 00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:25.700 what she holds from speaking to us. 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.400 So what goes away with me 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:33.561 is the normal media, the media 00:23:33.561 --> 00:23:36.341 of Satan, the media of the 00:23:36.341 --> 00:23:38.561 general people, so that 00:23:38.561 --> 00:23:40.061 all vibrates somehow. 00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:41.741 So you are part of the 00:23:41.741 --> 00:23:44.381 division and you should 00:23:44.381 --> 00:23:45.941 be careful of them somehow. 00:23:45.941 --> 00:23:47.800 I took it somehow. 00:23:48.040 --> 00:23:50.461 Christiane tries to gain 00:23:50.461 --> 00:23:52.041 access to Liz and move 00:23:52.041 --> 00:23:53.540 them back to a meeting. 00:23:53.540 --> 00:23:55.521 I admit it openly, it is now 00:23:55.521 --> 00:23:56.221 the fifth language 00:23:56.221 --> 00:23:57.480 message, I think, that I begin 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.681 with you, because 00:23:58.681 --> 00:24:01.581 I am very angry thinking 00:24:01.581 --> 00:24:02.821 about how to find the 00:24:02.821 --> 00:24:05.401 right words, without saying 00:24:05.401 --> 00:24:07.621 so to speak, yes, 00:24:07.621 --> 00:24:10.220 something wrong or so. 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:11.301 Maybe we can talk 00:24:11.301 --> 00:24:13.260 again, because then, 00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:15.841 yes, I just see more 00:24:15.841 --> 00:24:18.461 on your face, even 00:24:18.461 --> 00:24:20.701 if I might get something 00:24:20.701 --> 00:24:23.320 stupid. 00:24:23.800 --> 00:24:25.301 But Liz doesn’t want to 00:24:25.301 --> 00:24:27.260 meet us personally anymore. 00:24:27.260 --> 00:24:28.920 Not even on video. 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.040 She also does not want to call. 00:24:31.120 --> 00:24:32.761 The only thing that is okay for 00:24:32.761 --> 00:24:34.680 them is language messages. 00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:36.521 She says she can respond to 00:24:36.521 --> 00:24:39.280 them at any time and in peace. 00:24:39.280 --> 00:24:40.741 Some of me believe 00:24:40.741 --> 00:24:42.080 it is sacred. 00:24:42.080 --> 00:24:43.441 And when I connect with 00:24:43.441 --> 00:24:46.000 you now and speak to you, 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.561 it also feels in part as if I 00:24:47.561 --> 00:24:48.481 would also introduce 00:24:48.481 --> 00:24:50.001 you to a certain 00:24:50.001 --> 00:24:51.501 knowledge. 00:24:52.120 --> 00:24:53.201 I feel like a totally 00:24:53.201 --> 00:24:55.421 miserable 00:24:55.421 --> 00:24:57.220 traitor. 00:24:59.630 --> 00:25:01.431 We are only now checking 00:25:01.431 --> 00:25:02.850 so properly, which means 00:25:02.850 --> 00:25:04.211 that Liz is still on the 00:25:04.211 --> 00:25:05.790 way to exit. 00:25:06.070 --> 00:25:07.431 She is still walking between 00:25:07.431 --> 00:25:09.250 the worlds, she says. 00:25:09.310 --> 00:25:10.531 So between the world 00:25:10.531 --> 00:25:13.670 of yoga and our normal world. 00:25:14.090 --> 00:25:15.990 She still believes in things that 00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:17.051 seem to have been inserted 00:25:17.051 --> 00:25:18.790 into her at school. 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.961 The more I integrated 00:25:23.961 --> 00:25:25.760 into this community, 00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:28.201 the more I adopted 00:25:28.201 --> 00:25:31.740 its way of thinking, 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.300 its way of speaking, its 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.700 slang, the words used there, 00:25:37.020 --> 00:25:40.560 the habits, the attitude, 00:25:40.560 --> 00:25:41.460 the inner attitude 00:25:41.460 --> 00:25:43.641 and a worldview. 00:25:43.641 --> 00:25:45.141 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:48.241 And whatever was told 00:25:48.241 --> 00:25:49.121 me, it was such 00:25:49.121 --> 00:25:50.401 a certain call for 00:25:50.401 --> 00:25:52.700 secrecy. 00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:56.240 and secrecy. 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.100 And now she is talking to Christiane, 00:25:58.100 --> 00:26:00.720 a media representative of Satan. 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.241 I definitely have an inner 00:26:02.241 --> 00:26:03.580 voice saying that this 00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:05.700 is your last test now. 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:07.960 And now you are being tested, so to 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:09.001 speak, whether you really 00:26:09.001 --> 00:26:13.120 do this call for secrecy, 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:15.060 if you really obey it. 00:26:15.060 --> 00:26:17.260 You do not do that degree. 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.341 Per that is why she wants 00:26:19.341 --> 00:26:20.801 to point out from this bad 00:26:20.801 --> 00:26:22.661 conscience that she has also 00:26:22.661 --> 00:26:23.881 experienced good things 00:26:23.881 --> 00:26:25.860 in the yoga school. 00:26:25.860 --> 00:26:26.921 I have also received a lot 00:26:26.921 --> 00:26:28.560 of beautiful and positive 00:26:28.560 --> 00:26:30.940 views, especially on femininity. 00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:32.261 I got a very nice 00:26:32.261 --> 00:26:34.060 look at myself. 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:35.661 I also got a lot of courage 00:26:35.661 --> 00:26:36.781 to allow a certain 00:26:36.781 --> 00:26:40.381 sense and female sexuality 00:26:40.381 --> 00:26:41.361 to be lived 00:26:41.361 --> 00:26:43.140 out and radiated. 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:45.041 I also feel in contact 00:26:45.041 --> 00:26:47.320 with other women. 00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:49.021 They know I have a spark 00:26:49.021 --> 00:26:51.020 or something. 00:26:51.020 --> 00:26:51.841 And I know they want to have 00:26:51.841 --> 00:26:53.341 that too. 00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:56.301 This ambivalent that you 00:26:56.301 --> 00:26:58.620 have experienced good, 00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:59.781 many have already 00:26:59.781 --> 00:27:01.340 told us. 00:27:01.340 --> 00:27:02.960 But what I am trying to work 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.020 out so ultimately is, so to speak, 00:27:06.040 --> 00:27:07.481 what are the points where 00:27:07.481 --> 00:27:09.220 it is sliding? 00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.661 Where people just don’t feel 00:27:11.661 --> 00:27:13.420 good anymore? 00:27:16.060 --> 00:27:17.281 Christiane gets more and more 00:27:17.281 --> 00:27:19.120 language messages from Liz. 00:27:19.120 --> 00:27:20.860 Sometimes 20 in a day, 00:27:20.860 --> 00:27:22.760 then a week at all. 00:27:22.860 --> 00:27:24.440 The times are only very short, 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.301 quickly taken on the way to the bus or 00:27:26.301 --> 00:27:27.921 in the train, then again really 00:27:27.921 --> 00:27:30.900 long, 20 minutes, intensive. 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:32.121 Reading is almost talking 00:27:32.121 --> 00:27:33.020 to itself. 00:27:33.020 --> 00:27:34.281 A walk in the park or 00:27:34.281 --> 00:27:35.440 at home. 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.080 It looks like an audio journal. 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.881 I went to this young school 00:27:40.881 --> 00:27:41.921 with the intention that I 00:27:41.921 --> 00:27:44.421 wanted to be even healthier, 00:27:44.421 --> 00:27:45.861 even stronger, even more 00:27:45.861 --> 00:27:48.521 stable, and ultimately, it 00:27:48.521 --> 00:27:50.401 really created such a 00:27:50.401 --> 00:27:53.140 sharp pile of shit. 00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:57.361 And I am completely confused 00:27:57.361 --> 00:27:58.261 and I feel like after 00:27:58.261 --> 00:28:00.781 a car accident and I am completely 00:28:00.781 --> 00:28:03.701 crushed inside and also deep 00:28:03.701 --> 00:28:07.741 into mine that everyone 00:28:07.741 --> 00:28:12.000 is so hurt and disappointed, 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.201 but above all really 00:28:13.201 --> 00:28:15.540 so deep confusion. 00:28:22.340 --> 00:28:23.921 We realize that Liz really has 00:28:23.921 --> 00:28:26.320 a lot to say, wants to say. 00:28:26.320 --> 00:28:28.700 But it remains with these indications. 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.100 Is she in the fight between me, 00:28:31.100 --> 00:28:32.941 I break my oath and 00:28:32.941 --> 00:28:34.220 my silence? 00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:36.260 Can I really trust the media? 00:28:36.560 --> 00:28:38.061 We are now also very 00:28:38.061 --> 00:28:39.620 aware of this. 00:28:39.780 --> 00:28:41.280 Reading is scary. 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.721 Fear of the people from the 00:28:42.721 --> 00:28:44.221 yoga school. 00:28:44.580 --> 00:28:46.321 Because they have a 00:28:46.321 --> 00:28:48.040 lot of power now. 00:28:48.040 --> 00:28:49.580 They have schools all over the world. 00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:50.621 They are really 00:28:50.621 --> 00:28:53.780 professional in their work. 00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:55.500 And I am alone. 00:28:55.520 --> 00:28:57.021 I am bound to nothing 00:28:57.021 --> 00:28:58.060 and no one. 00:28:58.060 --> 00:29:01.021 I don’t have a employer 00:29:01.021 --> 00:29:02.001 or something that is behind 00:29:02.001 --> 00:29:03.061 me and supports me, but 00:29:03.061 --> 00:29:04.561 I’m alone. 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:10.101 Read the v.a. No money for 00:29:10.101 --> 00:29:11.280 a lawyer. 00:29:11.280 --> 00:29:12.740 This is also about here. 00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:14.181 She is afraid to be charged 00:29:14.181 --> 00:29:16.080 for slander. 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:18.440 The fear of reading is justified. 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.921 In 2018, our colleagues 00:29:20.921 --> 00:29:22.801 sent a short TV report about 00:29:22.801 --> 00:29:24.441 Gregorian Bivolaru and 00:29:24.441 --> 00:29:26.160 the Yoga Movement. 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.320 And there was Zack, 00:29:27.320 --> 00:29:28.820 a lawyer’s letter. 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:30.461 But the court request 00:29:30.461 --> 00:29:31.780 was rejected. 00:29:31.780 --> 00:29:33.001 The Bavarian radio had not 00:29:33.001 --> 00:29:34.501 made a mistake. 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:36.461 It only showed us that even 00:29:36.461 --> 00:29:37.581 now members of the yoga 00:29:37.581 --> 00:29:39.900 movement could press us to prevent 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:41.261 us from reporting with 00:29:41.261 --> 00:29:42.701 threats of lawsuits. 00:29:42.701 --> 00:29:44.421 and the women who speak, 00:29:44.421 --> 00:29:46.300 as the lyrics. 00:29:46.900 --> 00:29:48.421 And then I’m silent and 00:29:48.421 --> 00:29:49.941 then I’m left alone with that giant 00:29:49.941 --> 00:29:51.641 bump and shit I’ve experienced. 00:29:51.641 --> 00:29:53.480 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:56.841 Nothing happens and it even 00:29:56.841 --> 00:29:58.341 happens again. 00:29:59.500 --> 00:30:02.320 Reading is not just about yourself. 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:04.260 She also worries about all those 00:30:04.260 --> 00:30:05.641 who are still attending these 00:30:05.641 --> 00:30:07.060 yoga schools. 00:30:07.060 --> 00:30:08.601 The doors are wide open. 00:30:08.601 --> 00:30:10.461 They are spreading and 00:30:10.461 --> 00:30:13.961 more and more young people 00:30:13.961 --> 00:30:17.260 are entering. 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.421 And this is not sustainable 00:30:19.421 --> 00:30:22.380 in my opinion. It is impossible. 00:30:22.860 --> 00:30:24.201 And I see an urgent need 00:30:24.201 --> 00:30:26.180 to act to stop this. 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:30.721 But what exactly did Liz experience 00:30:30.721 --> 00:30:32.241 in this school, which is part 00:30:32.241 --> 00:30:33.801 of the German Academy 00:30:33.801 --> 00:30:35.720 for Traditional Yoga? 00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:37.381 The longer Liz and Christiane 00:30:37.381 --> 00:30:39.600 send voice messages, the more familiar 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:40.821 they become with each other, 00:30:40.821 --> 00:30:43.420 the more we become aware of what 00:30:43.420 --> 00:30:45.021 she experienced, that 00:30:45.021 --> 00:30:47.780 hurt her deeply inside. 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:49.561 So my path since I haven’ 00:30:49.561 --> 00:30:50.761 t gone there has been really 00:30:50.761 --> 00:30:52.780 rough. 00:30:52.780 --> 00:30:54.621 Actually, I just need a 00:30:54.621 --> 00:30:55.660 safe space where I can 00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:56.961 cry, where I can rest 00:30:56.961 --> 00:30:57.681 and where someone 00:30:57.681 --> 00:30:58.881 deprograms me and tells 00:30:58.881 --> 00:31:00.701 me listen to this and 00:31:00.701 --> 00:31:02.181 that and that and what 00:31:02.181 --> 00:31:03.161 you have been in 00:31:03.161 --> 00:31:07.320 the box for years now is absolute 00:31:07.320 --> 00:31:09.220 nonsense. 00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:10.840 That is not the truth. 00:31:10.840 --> 00:31:12.220 Read has someone trying 00:31:12.220 --> 00:31:13.880 to help. 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.360 She goes to therapy. 00:31:15.360 --> 00:31:16.201 But she really 00:31:16.201 --> 00:31:18.100 needed much more help. 00:31:18.100 --> 00:31:18.941 Help in all possible 00:31:18.941 --> 00:31:20.680 areas of life. 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.901 And I need that every 00:31:21.901 --> 00:31:23.001 day someone tells 00:31:23.001 --> 00:31:24.901 me that someone is around me 00:31:24.901 --> 00:31:26.901 all the time, somehow 00:31:26.901 --> 00:31:28.621 helping me out of these 00:31:28.621 --> 00:31:30.481 fucking fucking movies, 00:31:30.481 --> 00:31:31.581 but I can’t because 00:31:31.581 --> 00:31:33.021 I’m busy with having 00:31:33.021 --> 00:31:34.721 to pay my rent, pay my 00:31:34.721 --> 00:31:36.001 bills, have something 00:31:36.001 --> 00:31:38.121 to eat. I have not 00:31:38.121 --> 00:31:39.181 had money for 00:31:39.181 --> 00:31:39.981 food for 00:31:39.981 --> 00:31:41.940 a long time. 00:31:42.020 --> 00:31:44.320 I have been hungry for ever. 00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:48.481 And it’s always 00:31:48.481 --> 00:31:49.441 a shit wonder that I’m 00:31:49.441 --> 00:31:51.301 still alive and that 00:31:51.301 --> 00:31:52.181 I’ve survived all this 00:31:52.181 --> 00:31:53.681 shit. 00:31:55.520 --> 00:31:56.901 It may even be a small 00:31:56.901 --> 00:31:58.501 wonder that Liz is not 00:31:58.501 --> 00:31:59.741 simply back to their 00:31:59.741 --> 00:32:01.901 yoga movement, as many 00:32:01.901 --> 00:32:03.561 other outgoers of 00:32:03.561 --> 00:32:05.940 sectarian groups do. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:07.321 They go back to their 00:32:07.321 --> 00:32:08.901 group because they simply 00:32:08.901 --> 00:32:10.560 have too many difficulties 00:32:10.560 --> 00:32:11.601 getting back on their 00:32:11.601 --> 00:32:12.920 new life. 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.401 Because they lack a social 00:32:14.401 --> 00:32:16.600 network, work or 00:32:16.600 --> 00:32:18.140 places to turn to. 00:32:21.060 --> 00:32:22.401 But then, after all the 00:32:22.401 --> 00:32:24.061 language messages between Liz 00:32:24.061 --> 00:32:25.601 and Christiane, it is finally 00:32:25.601 --> 00:32:27.101 over. 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.560 Read almost trust us. 00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:31.620 She wants to meet again. 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.220 and personal. 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:42.561 We want to learn as much as 00:32:42.561 --> 00:32:43.521 possible about 00:32:43.521 --> 00:32:45.040 this yoga movement. 00:32:45.040 --> 00:32:46.621 Talk to as many people as possible 00:32:46.621 --> 00:32:48.540 about their experiences. 00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:49.801 So we contact the 00:32:49.801 --> 00:32:51.800 practitioners. 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:53.281 We search for them on the affected 00:32:53.281 --> 00:32:55.260 forums, through social media groups, 00:32:55.260 --> 00:32:56.121 through reports in other 00:32:56.121 --> 00:32:58.380 media, and worldwide. 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:00.101 What is really rough is 00:33:00.101 --> 00:33:01.381 how many locations 00:33:01.381 --> 00:33:04.040 they have worldwide. 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.821 And I think that in Europe 00:33:05.821 --> 00:33:09.960 is right, really much. 00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:14.301 Spain, France, Italy and Hungary. 00:33:14.301 --> 00:33:16.460 Britain, Iceland, Scandinavia, 00:33:16.580 --> 00:33:18.281 in Oslo, in Stockholm, 00:33:18.281 --> 00:33:20.920 even Athens. 00:33:21.800 --> 00:33:24.061 And what’s more, in almost every 00:33:24.061 --> 00:33:25.341 country the movement is called 00:33:25.341 --> 00:33:26.420 differently, it 00:33:26.420 --> 00:33:28.280 is organized independently. 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:30.661 What they all have in common is 00:33:30.661 --> 00:33:32.161 that they rely on the same teaching, 00:33:32.161 --> 00:33:35.120 use the same course material. 00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:36.481 So they chose against the McDonald’ 00:33:36.481 --> 00:33:39.220 s strategy, where you have the 00:33:39.260 --> 00:33:40.921 same name everywhere in the 00:33:40.921 --> 00:33:42.040 world, but they are called 00:33:42.040 --> 00:33:43.381 different everywhere, and 00:33:43.381 --> 00:33:44.161 that, of course, makes 00:33:44.161 --> 00:33:45.560 it so hard to know that 00:33:45.560 --> 00:33:46.921 all of this is together 00:33:46.921 --> 00:33:48.540 ultimately. 00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:50.741 We spent weeks browsing through 00:33:50.741 --> 00:33:52.221 the websites and videos of the 00:33:52.221 --> 00:33:53.121 yoga school. 00:33:53.121 --> 00:33:54.101 We talk to outgoing 00:33:54.101 --> 00:33:55.780 women from Finland, Romania 00:33:55.780 --> 00:33:57.360 and Germany. 00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:58.681 Women who don’t know each other 00:33:58.681 --> 00:34:00.021 and whose experiences in 00:34:00.021 --> 00:34:02.140 yoga school sound very similar. 00:34:02.420 --> 00:34:04.061 We try to understand their 00:34:04.061 --> 00:34:05.800 stories better. 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:07.101 Ask them if they 00:34:07.101 --> 00:34:08.780 have any documents. 00:34:09.160 --> 00:34:10.221 Some send us, for example, 00:34:10.221 --> 00:34:11.461 the secret teaching 00:34:11.461 --> 00:34:14.100 material, bills, such as Volaro 00:34:14.100 --> 00:34:15.801 meditation cards or their 00:34:15.801 --> 00:34:17.920 flight tickets to Paris. 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.981 Others have nothing but 00:34:19.981 --> 00:34:22.920 memories and nightmares. 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.061 And then, as we research 00:34:25.061 --> 00:34:26.561 the background and search 00:34:26.561 --> 00:34:28.220 the sources, we suddenly 00:34:28.220 --> 00:34:30.181 get an email from 00:34:30.181 --> 00:34:32.480 Bucharest. 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.260 The email is from Mihai Rabca, 00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:37.160 the one we addressed. 00:34:37.260 --> 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