WEBVTT 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.321 You can find all the episodes of 00:00:07.321 --> 00:00:08.061 this podcast in the 00:00:08.061 --> 00:00:10.101 ARD audio library and everywhere 00:00:10.101 --> 00:00:11.760 there are podcasts. 00:00:15.340 --> 00:00:18.860 Romania in October 2023. 00:00:18.860 --> 00:00:20.341 In the middle of the night on 00:00:20.341 --> 00:00:21.601 a poorly illuminated street in 00:00:21.601 --> 00:00:23.101 Bucharest. 00:00:23.220 --> 00:00:24.541 Anka, Christiane and I have 00:00:24.541 --> 00:00:25.641 just come from the strip 00:00:25.641 --> 00:00:27.021 club Lucky Love. 00:00:27.021 --> 00:00:28.560 How many hours is it? 00:00:28.560 --> 00:00:31.600 So, it is now half three about. 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:32.801 The moment. It is half three in 00:00:32.801 --> 00:00:33.640 the night. 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.161 We have seen so much in 00:00:35.161 --> 00:00:36.160 this club. 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:37.101 We need to get rid of 00:00:37.101 --> 00:00:39.480 it, talk to the microphone. 00:00:39.480 --> 00:00:40.501 We could not take 00:00:40.501 --> 00:00:42.001 it inside. 00:00:44.740 --> 00:00:46.320 But from the front. 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:47.661 We jump back about 00:00:47.661 --> 00:00:49.920 an hour and a half. 00:00:50.060 --> 00:00:51.621 The Anker is at the Gentleman's 00:00:51.621 --> 00:00:53.180 Night Club. 00:00:53.180 --> 00:00:54.680 And the door opens. 00:00:54.700 --> 00:00:56.660 Loud music is coming to us. 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:59.461 We got in and the man on 00:00:59.461 --> 00:01:01.640 the stairs, the barkeeper, 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:02.340 was there. 00:01:02.340 --> 00:01:03.660 What did he say, because 00:01:03.660 --> 00:01:04.481 he had spoken to 00:01:04.481 --> 00:01:06.540 you in Romanian? 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:07.721 I asked him if women 00:01:07.721 --> 00:01:09.201 were allowed in and he said, 00:01:09.201 --> 00:01:10.661 yes, women should also 00:01:10.661 --> 00:01:12.161 be allowed in. 00:01:12.260 --> 00:01:13.801 Then there is a stripper 00:01:13.801 --> 00:01:15.100 in the corner. 00:01:15.100 --> 00:01:16.661 Long brown hair, curved figure, 00:01:16.661 --> 00:01:18.280 pale ta, bright 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:19.940 blue strap corset. 00:01:19.940 --> 00:01:21.281 She looks like just twenty 00:01:21.281 --> 00:01:23.561 and plunges straight on 00:01:23.561 --> 00:01:26.000 us in extremely high-hack We 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.461 call her here in the 00:01:27.461 --> 00:01:29.361 podcast Ella, but that’ 00:01:29.361 --> 00:01:30.700 s not her real name. 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:32.361 Ella looks at us in such 00:01:32.361 --> 00:01:34.121 a mixture of total 00:01:34.121 --> 00:01:36.400 surprise and pure joy. 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.921 We started dancing and 00:01:38.921 --> 00:01:40.101 were glad that women 00:01:40.101 --> 00:01:41.161 were coming in. 00:01:41.161 --> 00:01:42.041 Yes, she said. 00:01:42.041 --> 00:01:43.420 It is from girls. 00:01:43.420 --> 00:01:45.160 Girls, to be exact. 00:01:45.500 --> 00:01:48.660 Girls, finally women in the club. 00:01:49.100 --> 00:01:50.721 For the first time, there is 00:01:50.721 --> 00:01:52.420 a total relief in me. 00:01:52.420 --> 00:01:54.041 It looks like we are 00:01:54.041 --> 00:01:55.660 welcome here. 00:01:56.250 --> 00:01:58.371 I look around and my pulse 00:01:58.371 --> 00:01:59.871 is going up. 00:01:59.890 --> 00:02:01.451 The room is empty, apart 00:02:01.451 --> 00:02:04.410 from us and the staff. 00:02:04.410 --> 00:02:05.891 Anka, Christiane and I are 00:02:05.891 --> 00:02:07.910 the first guests that night. 00:02:08.210 --> 00:02:09.551 We sit on a long, black 00:02:09.551 --> 00:02:11.470 leather sofa. 00:02:11.470 --> 00:02:13.011 I am next to Christiane, Anka 00:02:13.011 --> 00:02:14.470 in front of us. 00:02:14.470 --> 00:02:16.011 Ella asks us what we 00:02:16.011 --> 00:02:17.150 want to drink, and 00:02:17.150 --> 00:02:18.311 the barkeeper goes 00:02:18.311 --> 00:02:19.670 to work. 00:02:19.670 --> 00:02:21.031 Gradually all three striptease 00:02:21.031 --> 00:02:22.111 women who are serving 00:02:22.111 --> 00:02:24.430 today are sitting around us. 00:02:24.710 --> 00:02:26.271 Because we didn’t run 00:02:26.271 --> 00:02:28.311 to them, so they sat 00:02:28.311 --> 00:02:30.010 on us. 00:02:31.870 --> 00:02:33.031 They don’t really sit on 00:02:33.031 --> 00:02:35.150 us, but almost. 00:02:35.290 --> 00:02:36.831 Ella is just going to go and 00:02:36.831 --> 00:02:38.631 tell us that she is from Sweden, 00:02:38.631 --> 00:02:40.431 just recently here in Bucharest 00:02:40.431 --> 00:02:41.811 and that she doesn’t 00:02:41.811 --> 00:02:43.131 do that with the striping 00:02:43.131 --> 00:02:44.470 for so long. 00:02:44.470 --> 00:02:45.711 Please understand if not 00:02:45.711 --> 00:02:47.710 everything is perfect. 00:02:48.070 --> 00:02:49.571 Okay, it is interesting. 00:02:49.571 --> 00:02:51.391 These beautiful young women 00:02:51.391 --> 00:02:53.991 there, the Swedes and the Danes, 00:02:53.991 --> 00:02:55.871 what is it that strikes the people 00:02:55.871 --> 00:02:59.010 here, why do they do that? 00:02:59.670 --> 00:03:01.051 These two here in a Romanian 00:03:01.051 --> 00:03:02.871 strip club, which 00:03:02.871 --> 00:03:04.371 is unusual. 00:03:04.990 --> 00:03:06.871 We have a guess that the 00:03:06.871 --> 00:03:08.731 two may be yoga students 00:03:08.731 --> 00:03:10.410 from Scandinavia. 00:03:10.610 --> 00:03:12.310 There are some yoga schools that 00:03:12.310 --> 00:03:14.130 belong to Atman. 00:03:14.130 --> 00:03:15.571 In Denmark, they also have their 00:03:15.571 --> 00:03:17.111 training to become yoga and 00:03:17.111 --> 00:03:18.371 tantrology teachers. 00:03:18.371 --> 00:03:20.311 Scandinavian schools are designed 00:03:20.311 --> 00:03:21.631 to address especially young people 00:03:21.631 --> 00:03:23.291 – including with such things 00:03:23.291 --> 00:03:25.030 as sexy dance training. 00:03:26.790 --> 00:03:28.231 So while we are in the club 00:03:28.231 --> 00:03:29.311 to talk with the Danish 00:03:29.311 --> 00:03:31.431 and Swedish, the Romanian goes 00:03:31.431 --> 00:03:33.271 to a white podest in the 00:03:33.271 --> 00:03:34.651 middle of the room and 00:03:34.651 --> 00:03:37.290 starts dancing on the bar. 00:03:37.290 --> 00:03:38.790 Only for us. 00:03:43.130 --> 00:03:44.491 I pretend I’m excited 00:03:44.491 --> 00:03:45.891 about it, but in my head 00:03:45.891 --> 00:03:47.591 is the only question, How 00:03:47.591 --> 00:03:49.351 do we get out of the 00:03:49.351 --> 00:03:51.670 women, why are they here? 00:03:51.670 --> 00:03:53.590 As unnoticed as possible. 00:03:53.650 --> 00:03:54.971 I think we can’t just 00:03:54.971 --> 00:03:56.470 ask you that. 00:03:56.470 --> 00:03:57.550 I still think. 00:03:57.550 --> 00:03:59.071 And that’s exactly what Christine 00:03:59.071 --> 00:04:00.770 does with Ella. 00:04:01.030 --> 00:04:02.571 The whole story is full of 00:04:02.571 --> 00:04:04.071 deep talks. 00:04:04.190 --> 00:04:06.410 And why do you do that? 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:08.470 What fascinates you about it? 00:04:08.470 --> 00:04:09.750 Now I have to laugh at it. 00:04:09.750 --> 00:04:11.371 But in the club, when Christiane 00:04:11.371 --> 00:04:12.410 started asking 00:04:12.410 --> 00:04:14.511 so directly, I was 00:04:14.511 --> 00:04:15.830 just scared. 00:04:15.830 --> 00:04:17.891 For the sake of it, now we 00:04:17.891 --> 00:04:19.571 will all fly up, now they pick 00:04:19.571 --> 00:04:20.930 up their bodyguards. 00:04:20.930 --> 00:04:21.871 No, no, the legend 00:04:21.871 --> 00:04:23.990 was mine. 00:04:23.990 --> 00:04:25.431 I have a side within me that 00:04:25.431 --> 00:04:27.830 is looking for something. 00:04:27.830 --> 00:04:29.411 Christiane tells the striptease 00:04:29.411 --> 00:04:30.991 women that there is such a longing 00:04:30.991 --> 00:04:32.911 in her, that she is somehow 00:04:32.911 --> 00:04:34.411 a seeking woman. 00:04:34.550 --> 00:04:36.170 And that pulls. 00:04:37.010 --> 00:04:38.811 The women begin to tell Christiane 00:04:38.811 --> 00:04:40.650 about themselves. 00:04:51.080 --> 00:04:53.320 This is a soul captain. 00:04:53.900 --> 00:04:58.101 Toxic Tantra, a podcast 00:04:58.101 --> 00:04:59.761 by Christiane Havranek and 00:04:59.761 --> 00:05:03.420 me, Katja Peisen-Petersen. 00:05:04.210 --> 00:05:07.870 Episode 4 Lucky Love. 00:05:13.980 --> 00:05:15.101 We are in this Strip 00:05:15.101 --> 00:05:16.621 Club because we want to 00:05:16.621 --> 00:05:18.921 find out if women from Atman yoga 00:05:18.921 --> 00:05:20.860 schools work here. 00:05:20.860 --> 00:05:22.701 In general, this trip here 00:05:22.701 --> 00:05:24.620 in Romania, the country where 00:05:24.620 --> 00:05:25.901 MISA was founded, is 00:05:25.901 --> 00:05:27.641 about finding out what 00:05:27.641 --> 00:05:29.921 all the women who come here 00:05:29.921 --> 00:05:31.281 to yoga school from 00:05:31.281 --> 00:05:31.921 many different 00:05:31.921 --> 00:05:33.241 countries in Europe 00:05:33.241 --> 00:05:35.440 and the world are doing? 00:05:35.960 --> 00:05:37.241 Are you really just deepening 00:05:37.241 --> 00:05:39.361 tantra here or is there something 00:05:39.361 --> 00:05:41.060 else behind it? 00:05:41.280 --> 00:05:43.701 Now, at three in the night, 00:05:43.701 --> 00:05:45.281 on the way from the Strip Club 00:05:45.281 --> 00:05:47.081 back to our hotel, Anka and 00:05:47.081 --> 00:05:48.681 I, Christiane, can finally 00:05:48.681 --> 00:05:50.081 ask what Ella and the Danes 00:05:50.081 --> 00:05:51.401 have told her exactly, because 00:05:51.401 --> 00:05:53.001 we both have only heard 00:05:53.001 --> 00:05:55.140 a handful of it. 00:05:55.140 --> 00:05:57.020 Christiane is talking about Ella. 00:05:57.020 --> 00:06:00.760 She is 28 years old and is from Sweden. 00:06:00.760 --> 00:06:02.241 I talked to her longer 00:06:02.241 --> 00:06:04.780 and more intensely. 00:06:05.300 --> 00:06:06.740 The most interesting thing about 00:06:06.740 --> 00:06:08.621 it was that they started 00:06:08.621 --> 00:06:09.720 with yoga. 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:10.981 They do yoga and Tantra 00:06:10.981 --> 00:06:13.080 Yoga too. 00:06:13.080 --> 00:06:14.861 You are completely convinced 00:06:14.861 --> 00:06:17.040 of this whole lifestyle. 00:06:17.460 --> 00:06:18.861 They said it was a 00:06:18.861 --> 00:06:19.741 lifestyler. 00:06:19.741 --> 00:06:20.941 And they do it seven 00:06:20.941 --> 00:06:22.660 hours a day. 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:25.960 7 hours of yoga a day. 00:06:26.340 --> 00:06:27.721 We must immediately think 00:06:27.721 --> 00:06:28.880 of the outbound 00:06:28.880 --> 00:06:29.861 women we talked to, 00:06:29.861 --> 00:06:32.160 Liz and Natalie. 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.241 They also did yoga 00:06:33.241 --> 00:06:34.900 for hours. 00:06:35.140 --> 00:06:36.500 But it goes even further. 00:06:36.500 --> 00:06:40.220 The words spirituality are lacking. 00:06:40.220 --> 00:06:41.820 You talked about spirituality. 00:06:41.820 --> 00:06:44.180 You talked about healing. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.020 So heal it. 00:06:46.020 --> 00:06:47.441 Let us think 00:06:47.441 --> 00:06:49.141 of green cakes. 00:06:49.141 --> 00:06:50.901 Signs indicate that there is 00:06:50.901 --> 00:06:51.981 apparently a connection to 00:06:51.981 --> 00:06:53.481 the yoga movement. 00:06:54.180 --> 00:06:55.621 I have always talked about 00:06:55.621 --> 00:06:56.980 secret. 00:06:56.980 --> 00:06:58.040 Secret is yes! 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.180 Every time you ask something. 00:07:01.520 --> 00:07:03.380 Both are BEM, BEM. 00:07:03.380 --> 00:07:05.500 Heck, Heck and Heck. 00:07:05.500 --> 00:07:06.541 A reference to the yoga 00:07:06.541 --> 00:07:08.460 movement will follow soon. 00:07:08.460 --> 00:07:10.061 That was something I thought 00:07:10.061 --> 00:07:10.341 about, I must 00:07:10.341 --> 00:07:11.441 definitely remember when 00:07:11.441 --> 00:07:13.400 they said, express your femininity, 00:07:13.400 --> 00:07:14.721 because that is also 00:07:14.721 --> 00:07:16.861 so totally of wording. 00:07:16.861 --> 00:07:17.861 That’s what they said 00:07:17.861 --> 00:07:19.101 at the beginning, why they 00:07:19.101 --> 00:07:21.361 like to do it, with 00:07:21.361 --> 00:07:22.940 this wisdom. 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:24.361 This theory from the yoga 00:07:24.361 --> 00:07:25.721 school has also been told 00:07:25.721 --> 00:07:27.920 by Bivolarus, a former lawyer, 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:29.581 in the last episode that 00:07:29.581 --> 00:07:31.041 women who go to strip are 00:07:31.041 --> 00:07:32.880 supposedly told that they 00:07:32.880 --> 00:07:33.861 can develop their 00:07:33.861 --> 00:07:35.400 femininity. 00:07:35.700 --> 00:07:37.800 And then she started 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.620 telling me how she 00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:40.600 got there. 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.981 She said I started 00:07:42.981 --> 00:07:44.141 talking to you like 00:07:44.141 --> 00:07:46.061 you were my sister. 00:07:46.061 --> 00:07:47.361 This has happened to me 00:07:47.361 --> 00:07:49.461 somehow now, but it actually 00:07:49.461 --> 00:07:50.741 works, you have to 00:07:50.741 --> 00:07:52.141 buy me a drink and 00:07:52.141 --> 00:07:53.761 then you can talk 00:07:53.761 --> 00:07:56.561 to me and then there 00:07:56.561 --> 00:07:58.140 is a show. 00:07:58.440 --> 00:08:00.560 I bought her the drink. 00:08:01.420 --> 00:08:02.921 Christiane bought Ella a 00:08:02.921 --> 00:08:04.421 Piña Colada. 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:05.841 Suddenly we have Ellas naked 00:08:05.841 --> 00:08:07.361 breasts right and left of 00:08:07.361 --> 00:08:09.461 our nose tips and she gives 00:08:09.461 --> 00:08:10.821 Christiane and me a 00:08:10.821 --> 00:08:12.500 private dance. 00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:13.421 We really just 00:08:13.421 --> 00:08:14.940 want to talk to her. 00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:16.820 But it won’t happen any more, 00:08:16.820 --> 00:08:17.941 because suddenly new guests 00:08:17.941 --> 00:08:20.160 come into the club, three men. 00:08:20.320 --> 00:08:21.600 Ella goes on. 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.781 She then, unfortunately, 00:08:23.781 --> 00:08:26.121 went to the other table and, I 00:08:26.121 --> 00:08:27.441 think, promised herself 00:08:27.441 --> 00:08:30.361 more by the two men who were 00:08:30.361 --> 00:08:32.360 still sitting there. 00:08:32.640 --> 00:08:33.521 They then dressed them 00:08:33.521 --> 00:08:34.661 up and then they went 00:08:34.661 --> 00:08:36.341 away with them and then 00:08:36.341 --> 00:08:38.721 they gave them quite certain 00:08:38.721 --> 00:08:42.080 massages. The massages. 00:08:42.180 --> 00:08:43.741 In Lucky Love, women also give 00:08:43.741 --> 00:08:45.260 Tantra massages. 00:08:45.260 --> 00:08:46.360 We asked where you 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:47.860 learned this? 00:08:48.040 --> 00:08:49.501 One of the three women calls 00:08:49.501 --> 00:08:51.400 us a kind of massage school, 00:08:51.400 --> 00:08:53.780 the Esoteric Massage Academy. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.600 I remember that name. 00:08:55.920 --> 00:08:57.620 Then we leave the club. 00:08:57.780 --> 00:08:59.041 We feel that at the end 00:08:59.041 --> 00:09:00.540 of the day for us, we are 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:01.741 not getting any 00:09:01.741 --> 00:09:03.400 more information. 00:09:05.400 --> 00:09:07.281 A strip club with a spiritual 00:09:07.281 --> 00:09:08.441 touch. 00:09:08.441 --> 00:09:10.441 A club where striptease 00:09:10.441 --> 00:09:11.801 women unfold their femininity 00:09:11.801 --> 00:09:13.721 and pass on the concept 00:09:13.721 --> 00:09:15.021 of sacred sexuality 00:09:15.021 --> 00:09:18.080 to others, to ignorants. 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:19.561 I must say I felt really 00:09:19.561 --> 00:09:20.820 uncomfortable. 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:22.760 I was also looked at. 00:09:23.420 --> 00:09:25.300 But I found it so crisp 00:09:25.300 --> 00:09:27.501 to watch that in my eyes 00:09:27.501 --> 00:09:30.600 this young Swedish woman 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:31.741 who was so glad that actually 00:09:31.741 --> 00:09:32.721 women come to her and watch 00:09:32.721 --> 00:09:34.821 her show that somehow so 00:09:34.821 --> 00:09:36.921 was so warm and then so 00:09:36.921 --> 00:09:38.161 also so open and so I mean 00:09:38.161 --> 00:09:40.041 yes I practice this now 00:09:40.041 --> 00:09:41.321 all just I do this not 00:09:41.321 --> 00:09:42.221 long and was totally pleased 00:09:42.221 --> 00:09:44.601 that someone has watched this 00:09:44.601 --> 00:09:46.441 and still scratched and 00:09:46.441 --> 00:09:48.941 at the same time I was 00:09:48.941 --> 00:09:50.261 always thinking so what more 00:09:50.261 --> 00:09:51.281 you do because we 00:09:51.281 --> 00:10:00.001 have after our club 00:10:00.001 --> 00:10:01.581 trip the feeling we 00:10:01.581 --> 00:10:02.561 could 00:10:02.561 --> 00:10:05.000 strengthen our guess. 00:10:05.740 --> 00:10:07.021 We think these women are 00:10:07.021 --> 00:10:09.380 here in the yoga movement. 00:10:09.520 --> 00:10:12.060 We could put a lot of green hikes. 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:13.981 And we find another 00:10:13.981 --> 00:10:15.800 indication on this. 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.300 This is Esoteric Massage Academy. 00:10:18.380 --> 00:10:19.481 One of the women 00:10:19.481 --> 00:10:20.821 said she learned to 00:10:20.821 --> 00:10:22.321 massage there. 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:24.041 This academy has overlaps 00:10:24.041 --> 00:10:26.260 of personnel. 00:10:26.860 --> 00:10:28.081 So, we have a lot of 00:10:28.081 --> 00:10:30.140 clues, but the right evidence, 00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:31.821 the evidence we do not have. 00:10:31.821 --> 00:10:33.521 None of the women in the club 00:10:33.521 --> 00:10:35.241 has made it clear that I 00:10:35.241 --> 00:10:36.641 was sent to strip by the 00:10:36.641 --> 00:10:38.141 yoga movement. 00:10:38.620 --> 00:10:39.921 The press spokeswoman of 00:10:39.921 --> 00:10:41.561 the Romanian yoga school Misa 00:10:41.561 --> 00:10:44.240 will tell us later, it may already be 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:45.601 that individual yoga students 00:10:45.601 --> 00:10:47.541 strip as camgirls work or 00:10:47.541 --> 00:10:49.680 give Tantra massages. 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:52.021 If, then voluntarily and as 00:10:52.021 --> 00:10:53.521 a private person. 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.660 This is not managed by Misa. 00:10:55.660 --> 00:10:57.601 That women do all this as 00:10:57.601 --> 00:10:59.741 karma yoga, express your femininity 00:10:59.741 --> 00:11:02.180 in the service of the yoga school, 00:11:02.180 --> 00:11:02.861 that the press spokeswoman 00:11:02.861 --> 00:11:03.781 can’t imagine, she 00:11:03.781 --> 00:11:05.980 says in the interview. 00:11:06.140 --> 00:11:07.441 I have never been to the Esoteric 00:11:07.441 --> 00:11:09.520 Massage Academy. 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.541 Strange, we find it, because on 00:11:12.541 --> 00:11:14.641 Instagram Misa currently follows 00:11:14.641 --> 00:11:16.080 this academy. 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.461 The women from the academy 00:11:17.461 --> 00:11:18.461 did not respond to 00:11:18.461 --> 00:11:20.100 our request. 00:11:21.390 --> 00:11:22.991 We also have the Lucky Love 00:11:22.991 --> 00:11:23.810 Club. 00:11:23.810 --> 00:11:25.651 And her answer sounds 00:11:25.651 --> 00:11:27.190 a bit crazy. 00:11:27.210 --> 00:11:28.591 To our questions, so connections 00:11:28.591 --> 00:11:30.351 to Mass, stripes and massages 00:11:30.351 --> 00:11:32.831 as karma yoga, they give 00:11:32.831 --> 00:11:35.150 us a simple answer. 00:11:35.450 --> 00:11:36.410 No is. 00:11:36.410 --> 00:11:37.910 In large letters. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.141 The next morning we sit together 00:11:45.141 --> 00:11:46.460 again, Christiane, 00:11:46.460 --> 00:11:47.940 Anka and I. 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:49.680 This time in the car. 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:50.901 She is driving us out of 00:11:50.901 --> 00:11:53.280 town, so she is at least trying to. 00:11:53.280 --> 00:11:55.500 It is terrible, there is chaos. 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:57.540 Yes, I cannot go back. 00:11:58.760 --> 00:12:00.901 So, to be honest, I don’ 00:12:00.901 --> 00:12:01.961 t know how we get out 00:12:01.961 --> 00:12:03.461 of here. 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:06.141 We want to get out of Bucharest 00:12:06.141 --> 00:12:07.940 and to the Black Sea. 00:12:08.020 --> 00:12:09.581 We head to Kosti Nešt in a 00:12:09.581 --> 00:12:11.440 Romanian beach resort. 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.021 It is not only visited by normal 00:12:13.021 --> 00:12:14.501 holidaymakers in the summer, 00:12:14.501 --> 00:12:16.041 but it will breathe there to the 00:12:16.041 --> 00:12:17.061 pilgrimage site of 00:12:17.061 --> 00:12:18.720 the yoga movement. 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.061 Thousands of yogis from 00:12:24.061 --> 00:12:25.261 different countries have been flowing 00:12:25.261 --> 00:12:26.461 there for decades. 00:12:26.461 --> 00:12:27.981 This is where the Yogi 00:12:27.981 --> 00:12:29.381 International Esoteric 00:12:29.381 --> 00:12:31.341 Summer Camp takes place 00:12:31.341 --> 00:12:33.600 for five weeks. 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.221 It is organized by the Romanian yoga 00:12:35.221 --> 00:12:36.760 school Misa. 00:12:36.760 --> 00:12:37.841 With courses, 00:12:37.841 --> 00:12:39.641 with events, with messages by 00:12:39.641 --> 00:12:41.101 Gregorian Bivularo 00:12:41.101 --> 00:12:42.601 via speakers. 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:44.121 And with a special assembly 00:12:44.121 --> 00:12:45.521 that appears to have cult 00:12:45.521 --> 00:12:47.080 status. 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:48.961 The Yogis meet outside on a large 00:12:48.961 --> 00:12:50.741 field on the outskirts and 00:12:50.741 --> 00:12:52.461 perform their spiral 00:12:52.461 --> 00:12:54.100 meditation there. 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:56.161 Thousands of people form 00:12:56.161 --> 00:12:57.521 a giant spiral hand 00:12:57.521 --> 00:13:00.320 in hand and meditate. 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:08.581 On the way to Kostinesch 00:13:08.581 --> 00:13:10.041 we read again how to participate 00:13:10.041 --> 00:13:12.380 in the yoga camp. 00:13:12.520 --> 00:13:13.741 For registration, two photos in 00:13:13.741 --> 00:13:17.200 the format of 10-15 cm will be submitted. 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:18.981 Face and half profile in 00:13:18.981 --> 00:13:20.881 a swimsuit, two-part for 00:13:20.881 --> 00:13:23.341 ladies, on which the body as a 00:13:23.341 --> 00:13:24.960 whole can be seen. 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.160 They must be up to date, 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:29.220 taken after the 1. June 2023. 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:31.201 And the conditions for participation 00:13:31.201 --> 00:13:33.301 are also a negative HIV 00:13:33.301 --> 00:13:36.480 and a negative syphilis test. 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:37.981 This yoga camp, so clearly, 00:13:37.981 --> 00:13:40.500 is not a normal yoga camp. 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:41.641 And Kostinesht is a special 00:13:41.641 --> 00:13:43.481 place, practically the heart 00:13:43.481 --> 00:13:45.300 of the yoga movement. 00:13:46.900 --> 00:13:47.821 We want to see it with 00:13:47.821 --> 00:13:49.281 our own eyes, even though 00:13:49.281 --> 00:13:50.641 now it is autumn and the 00:13:50.641 --> 00:13:52.520 great rush is over. 00:13:52.640 --> 00:13:53.701 We want to talk to people 00:13:53.701 --> 00:13:55.321 and we want to look at a 00:13:55.321 --> 00:13:56.341 house where things 00:13:56.341 --> 00:13:58.060 are supposed to happen that 00:13:58.060 --> 00:13:58.961 are strictly secret even 00:13:58.961 --> 00:14:01.220 within the yoga movement. 00:14:01.380 --> 00:14:02.541 They are not part of 00:14:02.541 --> 00:14:04.840 the official summer camp program. 00:14:05.140 --> 00:14:06.501 In this house, selected 00:14:06.501 --> 00:14:08.200 women are to meet 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:10.840 to be trained in sexy. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.920 At least that’s what Natalie feels, 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.141 because she was one of 00:14:15.141 --> 00:14:16.641 those chosen women. 00:14:16.880 --> 00:14:20.040 So, this house is in Kostanes, where 00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:23.101 this summer camp takes place. 00:14:23.101 --> 00:14:26.421 And the Veluza is a relatively 00:14:26.421 --> 00:14:29.141 large house with many so 00:14:29.141 --> 00:14:31.100 small rooms, where 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:32.461 the whole girls then 00:14:32.461 --> 00:14:34.021 somehow all sleep together 00:14:34.021 --> 00:14:35.560 on a mattress. 00:14:35.560 --> 00:14:37.220 Natalie is the outbound woman 00:14:37.220 --> 00:14:38.701 who joined the yoga movement 00:14:38.701 --> 00:14:40.101 during an Indian trip and 00:14:40.101 --> 00:14:42.380 now lives in Thailand. 00:14:42.380 --> 00:14:43.821 And she leads us to this Veluza, 00:14:43.821 --> 00:14:46.041 because there is no official 00:14:46.041 --> 00:14:48.200 information about it. 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:49.861 Google Street 00:14:49.861 --> 00:14:51.581 View has a video. 00:14:51.581 --> 00:14:52.861 Let’s look at that 00:14:52.861 --> 00:14:54.361 in the car. 00:14:54.560 --> 00:14:57.560 This is the Veluza, this building. 00:14:57.900 --> 00:15:00.340 The building next to here. 00:15:00.340 --> 00:15:03.280 This is from the school too. 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.560 They call it the Lotus Hotel. 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:08.560 Veluza is a hotel. 00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:10.281 In one street in Kostinesz 00:15:10.281 --> 00:15:12.640 there are several buildings where 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:13.881 the jogs go in and out especially 00:15:13.881 --> 00:15:15.900 in the summer. 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:17.621 And Nathalie will take 00:15:17.621 --> 00:15:18.800 us into this world. 00:15:18.800 --> 00:15:21.141 But until we get there, 00:15:21.141 --> 00:15:23.000 in just three hours drive, 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:23.481 we have a little 00:15:23.481 --> 00:15:25.241 time to tell you something 00:15:25.241 --> 00:15:26.660 else. 00:15:26.660 --> 00:15:28.021 Something that is also somehow 00:15:28.021 --> 00:15:29.961 related to the Wiluza and is 00:15:29.961 --> 00:15:31.301 practically a kind of 00:15:31.301 --> 00:15:33.060 prelude to it. 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.821 These are special groups, 00:15:34.821 --> 00:15:36.840 only for women. 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.341 These groups are called 00:15:38.341 --> 00:15:39.681 Shakti groups after the 00:15:39.681 --> 00:15:40.980 Indian goddess. 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:42.940 There are also in Germany. 00:15:42.940 --> 00:15:44.361 We know this because Liz 00:15:44.361 --> 00:15:46.160 was inside, the outbound woman 00:15:46.160 --> 00:15:47.660 Christiane has in. 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.181 So such preparation steps 00:15:50.181 --> 00:15:52.841 were actually the photos 00:15:52.841 --> 00:15:54.361 in the bikini, which I then 00:15:54.361 --> 00:15:56.281 let make and by stick 00:15:56.281 --> 00:15:58.280 elsewhere was sent. 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:00.821 And the next step after these things 00:16:00.821 --> 00:16:02.321 really came with the invitation 00:16:02.321 --> 00:16:04.700 to the Shakti group. 00:16:04.700 --> 00:16:06.481 Liz tells us about this group, 00:16:06.481 --> 00:16:08.201 where she attended 00:16:08.201 --> 00:16:09.521 a school of the 00:16:09.521 --> 00:16:10.621 German Academy 00:16:10.621 --> 00:16:12.860 of Traditional Yoga. 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.761 In underwear sensual and there 00:16:15.761 --> 00:16:16.980 were quite a lot of exercises 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:18.420 that had a lot 00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:19.861 to do with lingams, so 00:16:19.861 --> 00:16:21.501 penis, so to say that around 00:16:21.501 --> 00:16:24.921 us is Shiva energy and we should 00:16:24.921 --> 00:16:25.941 imagine that it is a Lingam 00:16:25.941 --> 00:16:27.041 that it is a penis and we 00:16:27.041 --> 00:16:28.420 did right such alleged mudras 00:16:28.420 --> 00:16:30.381 and yoga poses where 00:16:30.381 --> 00:16:31.941 it was all about moving 00:16:31.941 --> 00:16:33.341 the hips, moving sensibly, 00:16:33.341 --> 00:16:36.680 having a certain orientation 00:16:36.780 --> 00:16:38.181 and it was always about 00:16:38.181 --> 00:16:39.581 opening up to the male 00:16:39.581 --> 00:16:41.661 Shiva energy 00:16:41.661 --> 00:16:45.181 and how sex training 00:16:45.181 --> 00:16:46.681 so. 00:16:46.800 --> 00:16:49.720 Although she is convinced of the teaching, 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:50.921 Read does not feel comfortable 00:16:50.921 --> 00:16:52.340 in the group. 00:16:52.340 --> 00:16:54.461 This on-sexy making is just 00:16:54.461 --> 00:16:55.820 nothing for you. 00:16:55.820 --> 00:16:57.660 She has a strange feeling. 00:16:58.120 --> 00:16:59.081 Yes, and in the Shakti 00:16:59.081 --> 00:17:00.661 group there is a feeling 00:17:00.661 --> 00:17:02.020 of it, if 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:02.841 I don’t do it now, if 00:17:02.841 --> 00:17:05.020 I question it now, if I vote against 00:17:05.100 --> 00:17:06.680 it, if I find the doof, 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:07.681 if I don’t get here 00:17:07.681 --> 00:17:09.281 in some way full of sexy 00:17:09.281 --> 00:17:11.220 clothes, then I’m doing 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:12.800 something wrong. 00:17:13.020 --> 00:17:14.521 Then I am brother, then I am 00:17:14.521 --> 00:17:16.601 in the ego, then I am fully 00:17:16.601 --> 00:17:17.641 attached, then I am fully 00:17:17.641 --> 00:17:18.860 the game destroyer. 00:17:18.860 --> 00:17:21.061 So there was such a double 00:17:21.061 --> 00:17:23.381 message from the way, you can 00:17:23.381 --> 00:17:24.580 be here as you are. 00:17:24.580 --> 00:17:25.520 But maybe I’m, but 00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:26.201 if you don’t do 00:17:26.201 --> 00:17:27.601 what we say, you’ 00:17:27.601 --> 00:17:29.101 re shit. 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:33.941 For Liz, it feels like 00:17:33.941 --> 00:17:35.721 she can no longer trust 00:17:35.721 --> 00:17:37.740 her own intuition. 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:40.040 This reminds me of Natalia. 00:17:40.040 --> 00:17:41.360 She also told us that at 00:17:41.360 --> 00:17:42.201 some point she no longer 00:17:42.201 --> 00:17:43.960 trusted herself. 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.480 Red flag, a sectarian symbol. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:48.501 Liz hopes that with all these 00:17:48.501 --> 00:17:49.981 courses she will continue 00:17:49.981 --> 00:17:51.721 on her tantric path to 00:17:51.721 --> 00:17:53.180 enlightenment. 00:17:53.180 --> 00:17:54.360 So she continues, despite 00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:56.080 the bad feeling. 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:57.221 He also takes a very special 00:17:57.221 --> 00:17:58.880 dance course. 00:17:59.320 --> 00:18:00.881 Where women have 00:18:00.881 --> 00:18:02.261 been taught how to be 00:18:02.261 --> 00:18:04.561 sensibly sexy, for 00:18:04.561 --> 00:18:07.440 example, even on a bar. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:09.081 Where you were also taught how to touch 00:18:09.081 --> 00:18:12.001 someone with such a very exciting sexy 00:18:12.001 --> 00:18:14.181 dance, if, for example, you are a person 00:18:14.181 --> 00:18:18.260 who is a great fan of the dance. 00:18:18.260 --> 00:18:19.880 Someone is sitting on the chair. 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:23.710 Sometimes I also ask Liz. 00:18:23.850 --> 00:18:25.370 Why the whole? 00:18:25.590 --> 00:18:27.371 Who is the perfect 00:18:27.371 --> 00:18:28.890 shakti? 00:18:31.230 --> 00:18:32.551 She recalls a meeting 00:18:32.551 --> 00:18:34.251 to which only those who 00:18:34.251 --> 00:18:35.611 had been in the yoga 00:18:35.611 --> 00:18:37.011 school for a while were 00:18:37.011 --> 00:18:38.050 invited. 00:18:38.050 --> 00:18:40.371 And then we are back with Gregorian 00:18:40.371 --> 00:18:42.170 Bivoularou. 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:44.391 I felt that I was 00:18:44.391 --> 00:18:46.331 conditioned 00:18:46.331 --> 00:18:48.411 to idealize him 00:18:48.411 --> 00:18:50.070 badly. 00:18:50.490 --> 00:18:51.691 For half an hour or so, you 00:18:51.691 --> 00:18:52.851 watched a slide show of 00:18:52.851 --> 00:18:54.971 Greig’s photos all the 00:18:54.971 --> 00:18:56.311 time, with such a really 00:18:56.311 --> 00:18:58.310 sharp idealized music. 00:18:58.410 --> 00:18:59.611 And you were told that, so to 00:18:59.611 --> 00:19:01.391 speak, you are channelled by him 00:19:01.391 --> 00:19:02.371 to the energies that 00:19:02.371 --> 00:19:03.211 will purify you all the 00:19:03.211 --> 00:19:06.011 time and transform your energy 00:19:06.011 --> 00:19:06.771 system and continue 00:19:06.771 --> 00:19:07.891 to accompany and prepare 00:19:07.891 --> 00:19:09.690 you on your path. 00:19:09.690 --> 00:19:12.701 But it was just psychological 00:19:12.701 --> 00:19:14.480 manipulation that you 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:15.601 are being made full somehow 00:19:15.601 --> 00:19:18.240 like such a dog hot on him. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.560 And that is just so disgusting. 00:19:21.750 --> 00:19:23.230 We would like to know what 00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:24.971 the German Academy of Traditional 00:19:24.971 --> 00:19:27.051 Yoga says about all this and 00:19:27.051 --> 00:19:28.371 send them an interview 00:19:28.371 --> 00:19:29.891 question. 00:19:29.891 --> 00:19:31.431 But we are being comforted 00:19:31.431 --> 00:19:33.230 for several weeks. 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:35.770 The chairman writes to us that 00:19:35.770 --> 00:19:36.871 he has used the time 00:19:36.871 --> 00:19:38.251 to meditate and apologizes 00:19:38.251 --> 00:19:40.270 for the delay. 00:19:40.850 --> 00:19:42.031 It is still a matter of 00:19:42.031 --> 00:19:43.271 decision whether to do 00:19:43.271 --> 00:19:45.190 an interview or not. 00:19:51.290 --> 00:19:52.391 Kosti is located on 00:19:52.391 --> 00:19:54.330 the Romanian Black Sea coast. 00:19:54.330 --> 00:19:56.310 Not long and we are there. 00:19:56.310 --> 00:19:58.550 We are looking forward to this place. 00:19:58.550 --> 00:20:00.391 Because these training sessions 00:20:00.391 --> 00:20:01.851 in Sexy are supposed to 00:20:01.851 --> 00:20:04.090 have taken place here in Viluza, 00:20:04.130 --> 00:20:05.611 in the house we 00:20:05.611 --> 00:20:06.610 are going to. 00:20:06.610 --> 00:20:08.331 But the whole thing was to be 00:20:08.331 --> 00:20:09.971 even more special, even more secret, 00:20:09.971 --> 00:20:11.991 with the creme de la creme of the 00:20:11.991 --> 00:20:12.931 women of the yoga 00:20:12.931 --> 00:20:15.910 movement, with women like Nathalie. 00:20:15.950 --> 00:20:16.790 I mean, the first time 00:20:16.790 --> 00:20:17.571 I actually heard of a 00:20:17.571 --> 00:20:18.631 Villuzza was already 00:20:18.631 --> 00:20:19.890 in India. 00:20:19.890 --> 00:20:21.011 So there we had actually 00:20:21.011 --> 00:20:22.071 told my teacher, oh yes, 00:20:22.071 --> 00:20:25.371 and the villa, that’s so great 00:20:25.371 --> 00:20:26.551 because there all the 00:20:26.551 --> 00:20:27.771 girls go and then we’re 00:20:27.771 --> 00:20:29.130 all together. 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:30.471 Nathalie learns that one can 00:20:30.471 --> 00:20:32.311 only visit the Villuzza on special 00:20:32.311 --> 00:20:34.071 invitation and even 00:20:34.071 --> 00:20:35.391 after several years. 00:20:35.391 --> 00:20:38.170 But then everything goes very quickly. 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:40.641 We told you two in 00:20:40.641 --> 00:20:41.960 a row. 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.780 Natalie arrived in Bucharest in 2020. 00:20:44.780 --> 00:20:46.380 She learns that her boyfriend 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:47.961 Jasper has another girl 00:20:47.961 --> 00:20:49.360 next to her. 00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:50.980 A woman from school. 00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:52.400 Instead of separating, 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:53.541 Natalie has tried to overcome 00:20:53.541 --> 00:20:55.220 her jealousy. 00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:56.601 Just like your yoga teachers 00:20:56.601 --> 00:20:58.101 told you. 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:00.120 But it did not work. 00:21:00.320 --> 00:21:01.721 That’s why at some point Natalie 00:21:01.721 --> 00:21:03.641 wrote a letter to Gregorian Bivoularo 00:21:03.641 --> 00:21:05.761 asking him for advice. 00:21:05.761 --> 00:21:08.420 Added another photo of yourself. 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:10.700 Nathalie now tells us that 00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:12.341 her guru has responded to 00:21:12.341 --> 00:21:13.581 her pretty quickly. 00:21:13.581 --> 00:21:15.660 Also in a letter. 00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:16.761 So, at least, she is told 00:21:16.761 --> 00:21:18.820 that the letter comes from him. 00:21:19.120 --> 00:21:20.181 She doesn’t even get 00:21:20.181 --> 00:21:21.860 him in her own hand, but 00:21:21.860 --> 00:21:23.481 she’ll be read by her 00:21:23.481 --> 00:21:25.240 yoga teacher. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.401 He praised me so high up 00:21:27.401 --> 00:21:28.960 to heaven, practically. 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:30.401 I was so good, and I 00:21:30.401 --> 00:21:33.921 have such great qualities. 00:21:33.921 --> 00:21:36.541 And that I am so beautiful 00:21:36.541 --> 00:21:37.941 and have such a beautiful 00:21:37.941 --> 00:21:38.680 smile, that 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:40.540 was also a mega thing. 00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:43.141 Nathalie will later call 00:21:43.141 --> 00:21:44.461 this letter just 00:21:44.461 --> 00:21:47.000 the Love Bombing Letter. 00:21:47.020 --> 00:21:48.801 That I can so much practically 00:21:48.801 --> 00:21:49.981 and that I have 00:21:49.981 --> 00:21:52.321 now opened myself to 00:21:52.321 --> 00:21:53.820 him that this is 00:21:53.820 --> 00:21:56.381 the best thing ever 00:21:56.381 --> 00:21:58.200 is now. 00:21:58.600 --> 00:22:00.560 It is madness, Nathalie thinks. 00:22:00.620 --> 00:22:02.821 Her guru says how beautiful she is. 00:22:02.821 --> 00:22:04.181 He gives her gifts, 00:22:04.181 --> 00:22:06.240 a dress, body oils, 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.380 herbal mixtures. 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:10.501 She gets an invitation to 00:22:10.501 --> 00:22:12.001 the villa. 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:14.961 Wow, that’s mega because 00:22:14.961 --> 00:22:16.781 I was allowed to stay in 00:22:16.781 --> 00:22:18.120 Viluza all August, even 00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:20.161 in the first year when 00:22:20.161 --> 00:22:21.240 I stopped there. 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:21.981 Usually it only lasts 00:22:21.981 --> 00:22:22.820 two weeks. 00:22:22.820 --> 00:22:23.481 I was there all August. 00:22:23.481 --> 00:22:24.601 It was also very 00:22:24.601 --> 00:22:26.800 special. 00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:28.781 It is a special honor to be 00:22:28.781 --> 00:22:30.180 given to Nathalie. 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:33.000 She only has to do one thing. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:34.381 She has to take 00:22:34.381 --> 00:22:35.920 a holy oath. 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:37.601 And promise a Mieser yoga teacher 00:22:37.601 --> 00:22:38.380 that she will 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:39.801 never reveal anything 00:22:39.801 --> 00:22:41.300 about what is happening 00:22:41.300 --> 00:22:43.000 in Viluza. 00:22:43.460 --> 00:22:44.660 Nathalie does it. 00:22:44.660 --> 00:22:46.620 She swore on the Bible. 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:49.200 You get zero information about what it is. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:50.221 At the beginning, when you are invited, 00:22:50.221 --> 00:22:51.721 you will receive a 00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:54.300 letter with your invitation, which you 00:22:54.300 --> 00:22:55.941 will have to take with you to Viluza. 00:22:55.941 --> 00:22:57.601 And then in that letter is 00:22:57.601 --> 00:22:59.301 then all these testimonials 00:22:59.301 --> 00:23:01.221 of other women in it, who then stop 00:23:01.221 --> 00:23:02.201 saying, oh, that was so great 00:23:02.201 --> 00:23:03.841 and that was the best 00:23:03.841 --> 00:23:05.001 thing I’ve ever done and 00:23:05.001 --> 00:23:06.720 so on. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.701 Nathalie only reads that this 00:23:08.701 --> 00:23:11.680 Wiluza is practically life-changing. 00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:12.900 She has no idea what 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:14.400 happens to her. 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.161 Today she knows that in Wiluza 00:23:17.161 --> 00:23:19.900 the women are apparently prepared. 00:23:19.900 --> 00:23:22.000 Meeting with her Guru, Gregorian 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:23.800 Bivoularo. 00:23:28.030 --> 00:23:29.031 We are here, we are 00:23:29.031 --> 00:23:30.111 in Kostinescht. 00:23:30.111 --> 00:23:31.651 Let’s look at the video 00:23:31.651 --> 00:23:33.191 that Natalie made 00:23:33.191 --> 00:23:34.691 for us. 00:23:35.070 --> 00:23:35.651 If you go down the 00:23:35.651 --> 00:23:38.491 street, that’s all from 00:23:38.491 --> 00:23:41.011 school, that’s practically 00:23:41.011 --> 00:23:42.330 the aschram. 00:23:42.330 --> 00:23:44.311 In this aschram today a 00:23:44.311 --> 00:23:45.671 school event takes place, 00:23:45.671 --> 00:23:47.511 a yoga camp for several 00:23:47.511 --> 00:23:49.050 days. 00:23:49.050 --> 00:23:49.931 So we read this on the 00:23:49.931 --> 00:23:52.170 website of Misa in Romania. 00:23:52.170 --> 00:23:53.931 We will not participate, 00:23:53.931 --> 00:23:55.451 because we did not submit 00:23:55.451 --> 00:23:57.930 any bikini photos in advance. 00:23:57.950 --> 00:23:59.810 That would have been a prerequisite, 00:23:59.810 --> 00:24:01.310 again. 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.621 You can see the sea flashing 00:24:04.621 --> 00:24:08.401 up and no people walking 00:24:08.401 --> 00:24:10.160 on the streets. 00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:12.061 The tourists are already away 00:24:12.061 --> 00:24:13.561 at this time. 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:15.221 Christiane looks out of the car 00:24:15.221 --> 00:24:16.961 window into the hideous emptiness 00:24:16.961 --> 00:24:18.700 of this place. 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:20.421 I wonder if we 00:24:20.421 --> 00:24:22.201 are really journalists 00:24:22.201 --> 00:24:23.281 today. 00:24:23.281 --> 00:24:25.040 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:26.161 So I am slowly getting 00:24:26.161 --> 00:24:29.161 very nervous and nervous. 00:24:29.161 --> 00:24:32.061 Because you ask yourself, 00:24:32.061 --> 00:24:34.241 what do these three women 00:24:34.241 --> 00:24:35.941 want here in this deserted 00:24:35.941 --> 00:24:39.440 place now? 00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:42.920 I am also getting nervous now. 00:24:43.300 --> 00:24:44.820 Are we being disclosed today? 00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:46.241 So we turn off into a small 00:24:46.241 --> 00:24:49.020 side street now. 00:24:49.860 --> 00:24:50.921 We should be getting closer 00:24:50.921 --> 00:24:53.000 to the Veluzza. 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:54.961 I keep the microphone 00:24:54.961 --> 00:24:55.641 and shoot. 00:24:55.641 --> 00:24:58.140 That is now 130 meters. 00:24:59.900 --> 00:25:01.680 Okay, here is she. 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.400 Little Villa of Natalie. 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.100 We pass by the Wiluza. 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:08.861 But before we can look at them 00:25:08.861 --> 00:25:09.980 closer, we must go 00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:10.840 on, because someone is running 00:25:10.840 --> 00:25:12.461 in front of us on the other 00:25:12.461 --> 00:25:14.940 side of the street. 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:17.040 A young woman with red 00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:17.981 hair pulls a green 00:25:17.981 --> 00:25:19.900 suitcase behind her. 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:21.660 This woman must have been in the camp. 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.801 The woman was in the camp, 00:25:22.801 --> 00:25:24.621 because she was on the left. 00:25:24.621 --> 00:25:26.001 We just passed 00:25:26.001 --> 00:25:27.240 by. 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.000 There are a lot of cars here. 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.280 So you are still there? 00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:32.380 You are still there, exactly. 00:25:32.820 --> 00:25:34.900 The Yogi in their camp. 00:25:35.120 --> 00:25:36.441 We continue to get out of the 00:25:36.441 --> 00:25:37.421 small street and park 00:25:37.421 --> 00:25:39.380 around the corner. 00:25:41.860 --> 00:25:43.841 The small street is completely 00:25:43.841 --> 00:25:45.580 empty. 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:49.220 As we walk past the Ashroom Frame, 00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:50.221 we hear spherical music coming 00:25:50.221 --> 00:25:52.660 through the open windows. 00:25:52.860 --> 00:25:54.121 Probably the yogis are meditating. 00:25:54.121 --> 00:25:55.621 00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:00.381 A few minutes later we are 00:26:00.381 --> 00:26:02.400 in front of the Veluza. 00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:05.381 The Veluza is a glossy building, 00:26:05.381 --> 00:26:07.721 already older, with white-flowered 00:26:07.721 --> 00:26:10.880 grandmother curtains on the windows. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.680 But we do not see much more. 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:13.821 The whole house 00:26:13.821 --> 00:26:15.521 is closed by a green, 00:26:15.521 --> 00:26:17.600 blank fence. 00:26:17.820 --> 00:26:19.121 On a sign is a sign on a 00:26:19.121 --> 00:26:21.800 Romanian private land. 00:26:21.800 --> 00:26:23.980 We do not offer accommodation. 00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:26.141 There is no name sign and 00:26:26.141 --> 00:26:27.601 bell, only a code you 00:26:27.601 --> 00:26:29.101 need to enter. 00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:31.321 The villa looks empty, 00:26:31.321 --> 00:26:34.000 all the windows are closed. 00:26:36.260 --> 00:26:38.280 With Natalia it was different. 00:26:38.560 --> 00:26:40.221 It’s summer and the Misa 00:26:40.221 --> 00:26:42.920 Summer Camp is on its way. 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:44.881 Kostinäscht is full of Erdmann 00:26:44.881 --> 00:26:46.501 supporters and there is also 00:26:46.501 --> 00:26:48.280 a lot going on in Wiluza. 00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:49.961 Nathalie stands with her 00:26:49.961 --> 00:26:51.041 luggage in front of this 00:26:51.041 --> 00:26:53.301 beige building and she sees the women 00:26:53.301 --> 00:26:54.960 in and out there. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.621 She presented herself and presented 00:26:56.621 --> 00:26:58.140 her invitation. 00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:01.241 I was nervous. So because I didn’t know 00:27:01.241 --> 00:27:02.881 what was going on, because nobody 00:27:02.881 --> 00:27:04.421 told me anything about what 00:27:04.421 --> 00:27:05.640 we were actually doing. 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.380 Definitely yes, I am nervous. 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.961 Somewhere she had noticed before 00:27:10.961 --> 00:27:12.101 that in Wieluze everything 00:27:12.101 --> 00:27:13.961 was completely free 00:27:13.961 --> 00:27:15.461 and loose. 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:18.001 But instead of Woodstock feeling, 00:27:18.001 --> 00:27:19.721 Nathalie expects to do 00:27:19.721 --> 00:27:22.040 some hassle-work. 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.661 You get there and 00:27:23.661 --> 00:27:25.101 then you have to 00:27:25.101 --> 00:27:26.900 do hours of paperwork. 00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:28.321 As in an office, she gets super 00:27:28.321 --> 00:27:29.881 many forms pressed into 00:27:29.881 --> 00:27:30.840 her hand. 00:27:30.840 --> 00:27:31.341 If you have 00:27:31.341 --> 00:27:33.460 to read the rules three times, you 00:27:33.460 --> 00:27:35.240 have to write down the rules. 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:36.480 The rules that apply 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:37.900 in the Wieluza. 00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:39.221 You can’t sleep outside 00:27:39.221 --> 00:27:40.421 if you don’t want 00:27:40.421 --> 00:27:41.521 to sleep in the 00:27:41.521 --> 00:27:42.360 Wieluza. 00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:42.561 One night 00:27:42.561 --> 00:27:44.320 you have to tell me. 00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:46.980 You must attend all the lectures. 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:48.620 Yes, super strictly 00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:52.440 Nathalie fills out other forms. 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.381 Name, place of residence, their 00:27:54.381 --> 00:27:57.000 current yoga and tantraya and so on. 00:27:57.640 --> 00:27:59.180 And then it goes. 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.021 Someone takes a camera and 00:28:01.021 --> 00:28:03.420 targets it on Nathalie. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.800 She is asked to take pictures of herself 00:28:05.800 --> 00:28:08.560 so her guru can read her aura. 00:28:08.600 --> 00:28:10.201 Nathalie knows it, but this 00:28:10.201 --> 00:28:12.000 time it is more extreme, 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.460 she tells us. 00:28:13.460 --> 00:28:15.720 It was all completely naked. 00:28:16.420 --> 00:28:18.061 So before, it was always 00:28:18.061 --> 00:28:20.281 like bikini for camps and so on. 00:28:20.281 --> 00:28:22.420 It was completely naked. 00:28:22.420 --> 00:28:23.041 This is the first 00:28:23.041 --> 00:28:25.180 time you are filmed. 00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:27.100 and naked. 00:28:27.780 --> 00:28:29.601 Natalie definitely wants to go 00:28:29.601 --> 00:28:31.341 into this exclusive villa, of which 00:28:31.341 --> 00:28:32.901 so many in school speak 00:28:32.901 --> 00:28:34.280 so positively. 00:28:34.280 --> 00:28:36.280 Do you take nude photos for that? 00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:38.100 Should you film naked? 00:28:39.370 --> 00:28:41.011 Natalie breathed deep 00:28:41.011 --> 00:28:42.810 and took a picture. 00:28:43.290 --> 00:28:45.031 But after that, she still 00:28:45.031 --> 00:28:46.930 cannot enter the Wieluza. 00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:48.351 You have to answer one 00:28:48.351 --> 00:28:50.550 last question first. 00:28:50.550 --> 00:28:52.470 answer correctly. 00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:54.990 Want to meet the Goh? 00:28:56.050 --> 00:28:57.370 So so. 00:28:57.370 --> 00:28:58.391 The only answer that 00:28:58.391 --> 00:29:00.530 is okay is of course yes. 00:29:00.750 --> 00:29:01.711 Because when you get close to 00:29:01.711 --> 00:29:02.330 a cross, you 00:29:02.330 --> 00:29:03.830 will also be thrown out directly. 00:29:04.290 --> 00:29:05.770 Was it told you so? 00:29:05.770 --> 00:29:07.110 No, that wasn’t told us, but 00:29:07.110 --> 00:29:08.511 that’s a girl who was there 00:29:08.511 --> 00:29:09.911 with me, so happen. 00:29:09.911 --> 00:29:11.531 And exactly, so that was 00:29:11.531 --> 00:29:13.011 the thing, then there’s the 00:29:13.011 --> 00:29:14.690 question, how do you feel when 00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:16.490 you’re thinking about 00:29:16.490 --> 00:29:17.990 meeting your guru? 00:29:18.510 --> 00:29:19.311 There are then such things, 00:29:19.311 --> 00:29:21.011 somehow so excited, 00:29:21.011 --> 00:29:26.190 blissful, ecstatic, so that. 00:29:26.930 --> 00:29:28.651 And exactly, so there are only 00:29:28.651 --> 00:29:30.051 positive things, you can’t cross 00:29:30.051 --> 00:29:31.551 anything negative. 00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:36.651 And then you have to specify 00:29:36.651 --> 00:29:38.651 time periods if you 00:29:38.651 --> 00:29:40.570 have time to meet him. 00:29:40.770 --> 00:29:42.490 That is what Natalie remembers. 00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:44.331 She really doesn’ 00:29:44.331 --> 00:29:46.650 t want to meet the Guru. 00:29:46.650 --> 00:29:48.011 This old man, to whom 00:29:48.011 --> 00:29:49.211 she has already meditated 00:29:49.211 --> 00:29:50.731 and written a letter, 00:29:50.731 --> 00:29:52.110 still has no 00:29:52.110 --> 00:29:54.330 proper reference. 00:29:54.410 --> 00:29:55.671 She just doesn’t feel any 00:29:55.671 --> 00:29:57.210 connection to him. 00:29:57.390 --> 00:29:59.570 She wants to get into that velvet. 00:29:59.570 --> 00:30:00.071 And so on? 00:30:00.071 --> 00:30:02.230 So I crossed years. 00:30:02.230 --> 00:30:03.450 Do it simply. 00:30:03.450 --> 00:30:04.931 She says she wants to meet 00:30:04.931 --> 00:30:05.570 Bivularo. 00:30:05.570 --> 00:30:07.291 And then I put those 00:30:07.291 --> 00:30:09.530 times super, super late. 00:30:09.530 --> 00:30:11.350 So, next year some time. 00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:13.650 Let Natalia go in. 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.900 I mean, it was super cool in itself, 00:30:17.900 --> 00:30:19.780 because of course it was all the 00:30:19.780 --> 00:30:20.581 girls you knew a 00:30:20.581 --> 00:30:22.720 little bit about now, and then 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.620 keep them all together. 00:30:25.820 --> 00:30:27.741 With Nathalie, there are 00:30:27.741 --> 00:30:28.820 about 40 women 00:30:28.820 --> 00:30:30.421 from different countries. 00:30:30.421 --> 00:30:32.140 So she tells it. 00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:33.860 Many Romanian women, some people 00:30:33.860 --> 00:30:35.920 Nathalie already knows from Bucharest, 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.040 but also Germans, 00:30:37.040 --> 00:30:38.140 Scandinavians, English 00:30:38.140 --> 00:30:40.260 women, Australians. 00:30:40.360 --> 00:30:42.820 Each room is a mattress. 00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:44.341 We had to pay for our 00:30:44.341 --> 00:30:45.261 food and nothing, 00:30:45.261 --> 00:30:48.360 so everything was free. 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:49.161 It wasn’t that we 00:30:49.161 --> 00:30:50.660 were now locked up. 00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:52.061 So women go to the sea every 00:30:52.061 --> 00:30:53.601 day, to their beach, further 00:30:53.601 --> 00:30:55.581 away from the normal tourist 00:30:55.581 --> 00:30:58.920 beach, harder, more natural. 00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:00.461 But in the morning, noon 00:31:00.461 --> 00:31:01.941 and afternoon they should return 00:31:01.941 --> 00:31:04.700 to the camp and take lectures. 00:31:05.120 --> 00:31:06.940 It was interesting to 00:31:07.020 --> 00:31:08.740 learn all these horrors. 00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:09.381 It was really 00:31:09.381 --> 00:31:12.120 great even for women. 00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:15.661 In these lectures, for example, 00:31:15.661 --> 00:31:17.121 women learn how to better 00:31:17.121 --> 00:31:18.541 manage their jealousy 00:31:18.541 --> 00:31:19.981 or how to suppress 00:31:19.981 --> 00:31:21.720 their period. 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.781 She is bad, Natalie learns, because she 00:31:23.781 --> 00:31:25.560 is taking away one’s energy. 00:31:25.780 --> 00:31:28.041 Where we should evolve 00:31:28.041 --> 00:31:29.821 as women was this thing, 00:31:29.821 --> 00:31:32.561 that we would become more practically 00:31:32.561 --> 00:31:34.440 like Mahasakti. 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.581 Mahasakti is a god in female 00:31:36.581 --> 00:31:40.280 form. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.761 That was 00:31:41.761 --> 00:31:43.621 where we should 00:31:43.621 --> 00:31:45.121 communicate. 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:46.941 Women also get feedback 00:31:46.941 --> 00:31:47.561 on their 00:31:47.561 --> 00:31:49.460 performance. 00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:51.061 So to the naked photos 00:31:51.061 --> 00:31:52.480 and videos they took to 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:53.361 get into the Veluza 00:31:53.361 --> 00:31:55.100 at all. 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.481 You will then receive 00:31:57.481 --> 00:31:59.100 a personal message 00:32:00.620 --> 00:32:03.341 from Bivoularo in response 00:32:03.341 --> 00:32:06.340 to your videos and photos. 00:32:07.220 --> 00:32:09.360 Nathalie is in her room. 00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:10.421 It knocks on the door 00:32:10.421 --> 00:32:12.001 and someone presses her a 00:32:12.001 --> 00:32:13.421 small note in the hand, allegedly 00:32:13.421 --> 00:32:15.181 by Grigorian Bivoularou 00:32:15.181 --> 00:32:17.100 personally. 00:32:17.180 --> 00:32:19.840 What does Greg have about your photo? 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:21.340 Video said? 00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:22.781 I don’t believe anything, nothing negative 00:32:22.781 --> 00:32:24.580 or anything. 00:32:24.580 --> 00:32:25.701 So I think I really got 00:32:25.701 --> 00:32:28.340 out of that way, but then 00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:30.901 it was also with all, so many other 00:32:30.901 --> 00:32:31.881 emails that were around me, 00:32:31.881 --> 00:32:32.540 who then often 00:32:32.540 --> 00:32:34.401 got these answers so according 00:32:34.401 --> 00:32:35.700 to the motto, yes, if we had 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:38.481 a stomach, that 00:32:38.481 --> 00:32:40.960 didn’t go at all. 00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:42.201 So it was always said, 00:32:42.201 --> 00:32:43.041 so yes, you need to somehow 00:32:43.041 --> 00:32:44.741 do more yoga and somehow 00:32:44.741 --> 00:32:46.581 do more exercises on 00:32:46.581 --> 00:32:48.781 your chakra here in the 00:32:48.781 --> 00:32:50.261 belly so that it will 00:32:50.261 --> 00:32:53.320 somehow harmonize again. 00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:55.520 So that was the case, as you 00:32:55.520 --> 00:32:56.761 were told, so according to the 00:32:56.761 --> 00:32:57.521 motto, yes, you have to make 00:32:57.521 --> 00:33:00.140 your breasts bigger. 00:33:00.260 --> 00:33:01.261 Whatever we were told, 00:33:01.261 --> 00:33:02.001 we can do this by somehow 00:33:02.001 --> 00:33:03.741 working on energy 00:33:03.741 --> 00:33:05.300 and so on. 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:07.041 All clear, thanks for the tip. 00:33:07.041 --> 00:33:09.121 That is so normal. That is 00:33:09.121 --> 00:33:10.621 the thing. 00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:12.381 No one then takes this 00:33:12.381 --> 00:33:13.881 up as an insult or something, 00:33:13.881 --> 00:33:15.341 but is so, yes, of course 00:33:15.341 --> 00:33:17.281 I have to get rid of 00:33:17.281 --> 00:33:18.221 my stomach. 00:33:18.221 --> 00:33:19.721 of course. 00:33:19.900 --> 00:33:21.580 To doubt that and say, old, 00:33:21.580 --> 00:33:22.541 what kind of one he is 00:33:22.541 --> 00:33:23.261 that he tells me now, 00:33:23.261 --> 00:33:24.181 my breasts have to get 00:33:24.181 --> 00:33:25.980 bigger, that didn’t go at all. 00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:29.361 It would have been completely 00:33:29.361 --> 00:33:30.861 forbidden. 00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:35.211 Women are supposed to get 00:33:35.211 --> 00:33:36.971 skills in the Wiluza to 00:33:36.971 --> 00:33:38.551 transform their bodies. 00:33:38.551 --> 00:33:40.151 And they are shown 00:33:40.151 --> 00:33:41.031 how to be the 00:33:41.031 --> 00:33:42.791 perfect lovers, says 00:33:42.791 --> 00:33:44.230 Natalie. 00:33:44.230 --> 00:33:45.211 Together they watch porn 00:33:45.211 --> 00:33:47.131 and practice for the great 00:33:47.131 --> 00:33:49.131 tantric ritual that is supposed 00:33:49.131 --> 00:33:51.510 to bring them to enlightenment. 00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:53.431 Yes, according to the teaching, 00:33:53.431 --> 00:33:55.091 the women can also quietly make 00:33:55.091 --> 00:33:56.630 love with one another, 00:33:56.630 --> 00:33:57.670 so they call it. 00:33:57.670 --> 00:33:59.090 Men do not, but 00:33:59.090 --> 00:34:00.590 women do. 00:34:01.210 --> 00:34:02.591 For Natalie, it all feels 00:34:02.591 --> 00:34:03.551 like a training 00:34:03.551 --> 00:34:06.530 camp for a sex goddess. 00:34:09.970 --> 00:34:12.411 The press spokeswoman of Misa 00:34:12.411 --> 00:34:13.951 will tell us later in the 00:34:13.951 --> 00:34:15.971 interview that she doesn’t 00:34:15.971 --> 00:34:18.150 know a lot or can’t comment. 00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:19.731 The oath on the Bible, the house 00:34:19.731 --> 00:34:22.170 rules, the naked shootings. 00:34:22.170 --> 00:34:23.191 Per some have had 00:34:23.191 --> 00:34:25.070 certain experiences, 00:34:25.130 --> 00:34:26.111 but then please prove 00:34:26.111 --> 00:34:27.610 it. 00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:29.591 That Bivoularo gets photos 00:34:29.591 --> 00:34:31.271 sent from the women, they 00:34:31.271 --> 00:34:32.470 disagree. 00:34:32.470 --> 00:34:34.291 And in Misa lessons, it is also 00:34:34.291 --> 00:34:36.251 about eroticism, but you are 00:34:36.251 --> 00:34:38.011 against porn movies. 00:34:38.011 --> 00:34:39.630 They call them erotic films, 00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:40.791 which would also be shown at the 00:34:40.791 --> 00:34:42.891 camp, but allegedly without the camp 00:34:42.891 --> 00:34:45.470 participants’ sexual activities. 00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:49.911 Here in Kostinescht 00:34:49.911 --> 00:34:53.710 in autumn 2023 it is dark. 00:34:53.910 --> 00:34:55.271 But Anka, Christiane and 00:34:55.271 --> 00:34:56.691 I definitely want to talk to 00:34:56.691 --> 00:34:58.450 the people on the ground. 00:34:59.110 --> 00:35:00.611 We want to know how they 00:35:00.611 --> 00:35:02.251 perceive the yogis who have 00:35:02.251 --> 00:35:04.650 held summer camps here for decades. 00:35:04.890 --> 00:35:05.971 And that’s why we are now 00:35:05.971 --> 00:35:08.110 going to the village of Kostinescht. 00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:10.231 Because there is nothing going 00:35:10.231 --> 00:35:11.731 on on the streets of the village, 00:35:11.731 --> 00:35:13.631 we almost want to turn around 00:35:13.631 --> 00:35:15.071 again, but then we see a 00:35:15.071 --> 00:35:17.210 single illuminated house, 00:35:17.210 --> 00:35:18.790 a small supermarket. 00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:23.801 The supermarket is actually 00:35:23.801 --> 00:35:25.580 a small cream store. 00:35:25.580 --> 00:35:28.240 The front side is brightly illuminated. 00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:29.721 Three men are out there drinking 00:35:29.721 --> 00:35:31.361 alcohol, two are middle- 00:35:31.361 --> 00:35:33.940 aged and one is about 70. 00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:35.701 He is already quite tight. 00:35:35.701 --> 00:35:37.861 While Christiane and I 00:35:37.861 --> 00:35:39.700 feel slightly deplaced 00:35:39.700 --> 00:35:41.841 here, Anka runs to 00:35:41.841 --> 00:35:43.341 the dog. 00:35:44.120 --> 00:35:46.221 A huge cattle is there in the middle 00:35:46.221 --> 00:35:47.561 of the walkway in front of the 00:35:47.561 --> 00:35:49.061 crème magasin. 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:51.601 Our animal-loving Anka 00:35:51.601 --> 00:35:52.900 bows down to him, 00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:54.900 stitches him, tets him, 00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:56.180 snoops him. 00:35:56.180 --> 00:35:57.521 We are winning the respect 00:35:57.521 --> 00:35:59.340 of the villagers. 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:01.141 And then Anka wins her 00:36:01.141 --> 00:36:02.641 respect. 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.281 The man to whom the 00:36:04.281 --> 00:36:05.921 dog belongs is just as huge 00:36:05.921 --> 00:36:08.160 and important to us. 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:10.140 He owns the store. 00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:11.401 He sits behind his box 00:36:11.401 --> 00:36:13.061 and looks interested at 00:36:13.061 --> 00:36:15.080 our blue BR micro. 00:36:33.620 --> 00:36:36.480 He asks us to remove the microphone. 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.241 The supermarket owner is looking 00:36:38.241 --> 00:36:39.840 closely at it. 00:36:40.140 --> 00:36:41.581 Only when he sees that no 00:36:41.581 --> 00:36:42.821 red light is shining 00:36:42.821 --> 00:36:44.561 on him, he begins to talk 00:36:44.561 --> 00:36:46.061 to us. 00:36:46.100 --> 00:36:48.440 He presents himself as Luca. 00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:49.501 We talk to him about Misa, 00:36:49.501 --> 00:36:51.481 about Bivolaru, about the 00:36:51.481 --> 00:36:52.981 Yoga Camp. 00:36:53.060 --> 00:36:54.621 What we hear from Luca is 00:36:54.621 --> 00:36:56.121 very interesting. 00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:57.541 So interesting that we are 00:36:57.541 --> 00:36:58.521 quite sorry not 00:36:58.521 --> 00:37:00.240 to be allowed to take. 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.260 We have anka. 00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:04.641 Anka quats Luka in Romanian 00:37:04.641 --> 00:37:06.700 from the side. 00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:08.181 And then Luka says, 00:37:08.181 --> 00:37:11.480 OK, turn on the microphone again. 00:37:13.900 --> 00:37:15.520 Later, Anka told us that 00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:16.641 she was provoking Luka 00:37:16.641 --> 00:37:18.141 a little. 00:37:18.260 --> 00:37:18.681 Such 00:37:18.681 --> 00:37:19.901 a strong man with such 00:37:19.901 --> 00:37:21.641 a big dog, how can 00:37:21.641 --> 00:37:23.161 be afraid to talk about 00:37:23.161 --> 00:37:25.460 the yoga school. 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.721 Luca seems to be thinking 00:37:52.721 --> 00:37:54.181 a little about what to say. 00:37:54.181 --> 00:37:56.681 He says yoga is 00:37:56.681 --> 00:37:58.580 good in itself. 00:38:08.180 --> 00:38:09.681 But that with sex 00:38:09.681 --> 00:38:11.460 goes too far. 00:38:11.600 --> 00:38:13.100 How do you know this? 00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:14.921 I have lived here for 42 00:38:14.921 --> 00:38:17.601 years and know everything 00:38:17.601 --> 00:38:20.661 about the country 00:38:20.661 --> 00:38:21.900 of Kostinetsch. 00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:24.161 I live for the camp, about 100 00:38:24.161 --> 00:38:26.460 meters, 25 years. 00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:28.040 I go and I pay. 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:28.981 You go to town and I look 00:38:28.981 --> 00:38:29.880 at you. 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.700 What did you see there? The Porn. 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.780 A woman with five or ten men. 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.641 Are you watching porn or 00:38:38.641 --> 00:38:39.301 shooting? 00:38:39.301 --> 00:38:39.841 No to. 00:38:39.841 --> 00:38:41.081 This will be difficult with 00:38:41.081 --> 00:38:41.980 English. 00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:42.721 Luca wants 00:38:42.721 --> 00:38:43.981 to describe it with his hands 00:38:43.981 --> 00:38:46.600 first, then Anca helps us. 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.981 Luca remembers it all 00:39:17.981 --> 00:39:20.260 25 years ago. 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:21.940 We cannot prove this, 00:39:21.940 --> 00:39:24.300 but we know it. 00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:25.521 The outdoors told us 00:39:25.521 --> 00:39:27.021 the same thing. 00:39:29.620 --> 00:39:31.781 We go home, so back 00:39:31.781 --> 00:39:34.140 to our hotel, to Bucharest. 00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:37.411 Later in the evening we will 00:39:37.411 --> 00:39:39.051 let the experiences from Kosti 00:39:39.051 --> 00:39:40.071 Neszt sack. 00:39:40.071 --> 00:39:42.270 We come into reflection. 00:39:42.270 --> 00:39:44.250 We laugh a lot here. 00:39:44.810 --> 00:39:46.111 But what it is about 00:39:46.111 --> 00:39:48.370 here, the many women who have 00:39:48.370 --> 00:39:49.471 just done yoga and then 00:39:49.471 --> 00:39:50.651 at some point found 00:39:50.651 --> 00:39:51.851 themselves in this Veluza, 00:39:51.851 --> 00:39:53.351 what they experienced, 00:39:53.410 --> 00:39:55.291 that is not to laugh 00:39:55.291 --> 00:39:57.030 at all. 00:39:58.210 --> 00:39:59.950 Nathalie for example. 00:40:00.370 --> 00:40:02.090 She got the impression 00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:03.651 that most women were prepared 00:40:03.651 --> 00:40:05.531 for one thing in 00:40:05.531 --> 00:40:07.471 this Veluza alone. 00:40:07.471 --> 00:40:10.191 On a meeting with Gregorian Bivoularo, 00:40:10.191 --> 00:40:13.170 just like you. 00:40:15.060 --> 00:40:16.621 Do you remember the form that 00:40:16.621 --> 00:40:19.100 Nathalie had to fill out at the very 00:40:19.100 --> 00:40:20.241 beginning, even before 00:40:20.241 --> 00:40:22.000 she had to get into 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.500 the Viluza? 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.320 Want to meet the Guru? 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:28.141 The only answer that 00:40:28.141 --> 00:40:30.180 is okay is of course yes. 00:40:30.180 --> 00:40:31.781 As Nathalie’s time in Viluza 00:40:31.781 --> 00:40:33.640 is almost over, there 00:40:33.640 --> 00:40:35.021 is a meeting with the 00:40:35.021 --> 00:40:36.101 women who organize 00:40:36.101 --> 00:40:37.560 the Viluza. 00:40:37.560 --> 00:40:39.421 And then they talk about 00:40:39.421 --> 00:40:41.161 how it is to meet 00:40:41.161 --> 00:40:43.320 the spiritual teacher. 00:40:43.540 --> 00:40:44.581 That all of this is super great 00:40:44.581 --> 00:40:46.681 and that this stop is super 00:40:46.681 --> 00:40:49.421 important for our spiritual 00:40:49.421 --> 00:40:53.101 evolution and then they talked 00:40:53.101 --> 00:40:54.041 about their experiences, 00:40:54.041 --> 00:40:55.341 of course, so under the 00:40:55.341 --> 00:40:56.281 motto that it was absolutely 00:40:56.281 --> 00:41:00.280 life-changing. 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.181 Nathalie heard it all. 00:41:03.181 --> 00:41:05.021 In fact, she didn’t even have 00:41:05.021 --> 00:41:06.601 any interest in Bivolaru before 00:41:06.601 --> 00:41:08.180 Wiluza. 00:41:08.180 --> 00:41:10.520 But now something has changed. 00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:13.041 Even several weeks Wiluza 00:41:13.041 --> 00:41:14.461 have not changed the problems 00:41:14.461 --> 00:41:16.820 with her and Jasper. 00:41:17.060 --> 00:41:19.500 The other woman is still there. 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.261 And Natali’s jealousy, despite 00:41:22.261 --> 00:41:23.621 the many yoga exercises 00:41:23.621 --> 00:41:25.680 and meditations. 00:41:25.700 --> 00:41:27.200 Natalie feels nothing 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:28.580 she tries to help 00:41:28.580 --> 00:41:29.540 her go on. 00:41:29.540 --> 00:41:31.741 It was super, super bad. 00:41:31.741 --> 00:41:34.121 It was really, really difficult 00:41:34.121 --> 00:41:35.621 for me. 00:41:35.720 --> 00:41:37.540 Natalie is desperate. 00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:38.761 She wants to save her 00:41:38.761 --> 00:41:40.380 relationship. 00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:43.940 But how? What else should she do? 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.301 Natalie is looking and looking 00:41:46.301 --> 00:41:47.921 and looking for a solution, 00:41:47.921 --> 00:41:49.421 a saving straw. 00:41:50.040 --> 00:41:51.321 And when she then hears that 00:41:51.321 --> 00:41:52.901 such a meeting with Bivou Laro 00:41:52.901 --> 00:41:54.401 can apparently change everything 00:41:54.401 --> 00:41:55.660 in life, that 00:41:55.660 --> 00:41:56.681 such a meeting can make 00:41:56.681 --> 00:41:58.181 her tantrically enlightened, 00:41:58.181 --> 00:41:59.020 Nathalie thinks, 00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:01.320 maybe that is the possibility 00:42:01.460 --> 00:42:03.900 that everything will be 00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.240 fine again at the end. 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.680 Because I was so finished with the 00:42:09.680 --> 00:42:11.761 world, I said I just 00:42:11.761 --> 00:42:13.220 go there now. 00:42:13.220 --> 00:42:14.740 I just do it now. 00:42:14.740 --> 00:42:15.741 Then I’m here and I said 00:42:15.741 --> 00:42:16.340 I’ve specified 00:42:16.340 --> 00:42:18.761 the period next year, 00:42:18.761 --> 00:42:19.560 but I want 00:42:19.560 --> 00:42:23.270 to drive now. 00:42:33.860 --> 00:42:36.700 That was Lucky Love. 00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:39.360 The fourth episode of Soulfighters. 00:42:39.380 --> 00:42:40.880 The toxic tantra. 00:42:41.640 --> 00:42:43.281 You can find all the results in 00:42:43.281 --> 00:42:45.360 the ARD audiothek. 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.860 If you like Soulfighter, 00:42:47.860 --> 00:42:49.320 then go subscribe, write 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:49.741 a comment 00:42:49.741 --> 00:42:52.080 and give us a few stars. 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:52.961 This helps other 00:42:52.961 --> 00:42:54.860 people to see this podcast 00:42:55.900 --> 00:42:57.461 If you want to leave 00:42:57.461 --> 00:42:59.201 a sect yourself or 00:42:59.201 --> 00:43:01.020 help others, we have 00:43:01.020 --> 00:43:02.241 a list of advice 00:43:02.241 --> 00:43:03.301 and help offers 00:43:03.301 --> 00:43:05.160 for you. 00:43:05.240 --> 00:43:06.401 We put the link in the 00:43:06.401 --> 00:43:07.720 show notes. 00:43:07.720 --> 00:43:09.341 There you will also find further information 00:43:09.341 --> 00:43:11.000 about this. 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:13.961 Toxic Tantra is a podcast 00:43:13.961 --> 00:43:15.561 by me Katja Peisen-Petersen 00:43:15.561 --> 00:43:16.381 and Christiane 00:43:16.381 --> 00:43:19.200 Havranek. 00:43:19.340 --> 00:43:20.761 Thank you to Julia Rupprich and 00:43:20.761 --> 00:43:22.960 Marie Hanratz. 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.020 Graphic design of Anna Hunger. 00:43:25.740 --> 00:43:28.160 Sound design by Christoph Brandner. 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.660 Sound and technique Robin Ault. 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.020 Directed by Ron Schickler. 00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:34.481 The author is Johannes 00:43:34.481 --> 00:43:36.520 Badaro-Willmann. 00:43:36.520 --> 00:43:38.841 Edited by Pia Dangelmayer, Till 00:43:38.841 --> 00:43:40.720 Ottlitz and Sabine Winter. 00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:42.841 Toxic Tantra is a production 00:43:42.841 --> 00:43:44.181 of the editorial office Religion 00:43:44.181 --> 00:43:46.421 and Orientation, the investigative 00:43:46.421 --> 00:43:48.521 team BR-Recherche and the BR- 00:43:48.521 --> 00:43:50.701 Story team for the Bavarian 00:43:50.701 --> 00:43:53.400 broadcaster 2024. 00:43:58.100 --> 00:43:59.521 If you want to see 00:43:59.521 --> 00:44:00.841 more podcasts, I have 00:44:00.841 --> 00:44:02.080 a tip for you. 00:44:02.080 --> 00:44:05.000 The Bavaria 3 Podcast Friendship Plus. 00:44:05.060 --> 00:44:06.621 The two hosts, Corinna and Christine, 00:44:06.621 --> 00:44:08.421 have been best friends for 00:44:08.421 --> 00:44:09.661 almost 20 years and talk 00:44:09.661 --> 00:44:11.221 openly and honestly about 00:44:11.221 --> 00:44:12.960 love, sex and relationships 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.401 of all kinds in their podcast. 00:44:14.401 --> 00:44:15.120 00:44:15.120 --> 00:44:17.201 Listening to him is like 00:44:17.201 --> 00:44:18.621 an enlightening, fun and 00:44:18.621 --> 00:44:20.181 building conversation with 00:44:20.181 --> 00:44:21.400 your best friends. 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.061 It’s about questions like, what 00:44:23.061 --> 00:44:24.460 can slow sex? 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