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An apartment somewhere near Paris.
In the Bedroom by Gregoriam
Bivularou.
Nathalie and Eva sit in the cutting
seat, in front of
their guru, on his bed.
Nathalie in 2021, Eva in 2007.
Eva still remembers Bivolaru
asking her this one question,
whether I want to experience
spiritual expansions.
And I knew immediately what it
was aiming at, and then
I said pretty clearly, that’s
what has to happen in order
to go on spiritually.
Eva means that now really
has to have sex with him.
She remembers how Bivolaru
spoke to her.
Do you want to get involved?
Relax and let yourself in.
Now we meditate together.
Nathalie also recalls this
situation.
This is the moment when
we ask God if
it is integrated.
I didn’t feel
like I had a choice.
That I knew if I say now
it is no, then it is
again so by the motto,
what’s wrong with you, your
demons and whatever and
your ego and blablabla.
So that was just there,
I don’t really feel
that I’m now safe
and I can just say now,
okay, no, is not.
Then we stood in front of
us, she took my hands and
we meditated and
the crash was that then really
something like, so there
are things that happened again
that I can’t explain
to myself.
It was really a bit like that,
oh, crass, there’s some funny
vibe that’s going out here
right now.
I noticed how such a sexual
desire was triggered.
I cannot tell you how
this happened.
I do not know.
Maybe because I thought it
had to happen.
Maybe there was something
in the water. No idea.
Maybe my flat breath combined
with the idea that
this will happen.
I do not know.
I can still remember
the moment he pulled
his bathing man out.
And I mean, he is only
an old man, and so my reaction
was then where I actually
feel, boah, he
is not going right at
all, yes, I just push
it away, because these
are my demons, I can’
t stop listening.
And well, then it started
in principle with the transition
then to the real but then
it started with all these
awakenings of the chakras
over sexual activities.
And that was the experience.
Initiation is called the Yoga movement.
A supposedly
life-changing event.
But in reality it’s very
long sex with her guru.
This is a soul captain.
Season 4 – Toxic Tantra.
A podcast by Christiane Havranek
and me, Katja
Peisen-Petersen.
Part 6 of Initiation.
Natalie and Eva, both of whom had
sex with Gregoriam Bivoularo, they say.
We only know their
paintings.
I would also like to
hear Gregoriam Bivolaru.
We tried several times to
contact him through his lawyer.
Neither he nor Bivolaru
answered.
How exactly it went, what
happened when, I
would tell you in detail.
We will not go into
details here.
But we’ll tell you how Nathalie
and Eva felt this Tantra
sex with their Guru.
These descriptions can disturb.
If you get too much, it is
best to skip to the next
episode.
Here it goes.
The first time was long.
Nine or ten hours like this.
So was long.
I also know that I counted
the hours
I was there.
Okay, another hour, another
hour.
You succeed in it. An hour,
an hour.
I actually lost every
sense of time.
I didn’t know how long
I was there.
I think I was there very,
very long.
For several hours.
Did you get something
to eat and
drink again?
No, no no
I don’t know
if I drink water
then.
Probably a push.
He knew it when I got
him in the car.
He sleeps in the meantime.
There are three positions
where he is standing.
So on the back.
And yes, he just
sleeps.
But even there, that’s exactly
what, there’s a story being
told, so according to the motto,
yes, that he’s then somewhere
in the astro realm,
so that’s such a different
reality practically, where they
talk about, so.
He helps you somehow and
so on. There is a justification
for absolutely everything.
I remember when we
only slept a
few times.
And the crash is, it
doesn’t surprise me if you’re
just going to be birding
with young things all
the time from morning to
evening.
Just go on, just
go on, just go on.
So it wasn’t that I was
really somewhere.
So that was the thing.
I also know I was crying
a lot during
that time.
Where he told me afterwards,
yes, you saw, you have
a few problems there
and there, and that
is now, but it’s all
better.
Because, yes, you just
got it all out now and
now it’s better.
Of course it was not better.
What do you think you had
to cry today?
I simply didn’t
listen to my body.
I was not in my body
at all.
That was a bit the
feeling I had.
So I was just in my head
so still the motto, you
have to do it now, you
have to do it now.
I was not really involved
with what was happening
here.
Okay, we just
work now, just
work, just work.
It was also to the end that
I thought there was something
wrong, that is wrong,
somehow I can’t, I can’
t get out.
I seemed to have breathed
so flat that my hands were
cramped anyway, and
my face, as it was,
was cramped in the whole.
And I know of course, oh God,
I mean, what’s happening?
And no worries, that you
couldn’t leave me energy.
Something happened to me that
has never happened to me
on a fax.
My body is shrinking,
my face is shrinking.
And yes, I have a blocked
hunger chemical energy, right?
clearly.
After nine or ten hours
I was there, okay, I was
tired and yes, then
it was so, okay.
I think I then had some
time such a little bit of the
bust that
I am really exhausted
now and I would like to go
back now, I mean.
So when I went back into the
room, so I was really just
about to fall into that way.
Everything was shaking and
total, so done.
I then slept a little
and then ate a little
and then a few hours
later I was allowed
to go.
Natalie will be driven
back to the first apartment
with the other women who are still
waiting for her initiation.
She says she is being
taken to a room.
First, give my testimony,
so then you will be filmed
again, where you will
then stop telling
your experience now, as
it was now.
I know exactly where I
am just like that...
I invented something because
I was so, I have now
experienced nothing
great, really.
When you are filmed, there
is a girl sitting in the room,
who has been there for
eternity and so on.
And then, of course, you’re not
sitting there and you’re so by the motto, yes,
that was full of shit.
Eva is also brought back to
the first apartment.
Unlike Nathalie,
there are no videos
of her.
He is asked by the
other women in the
apartment.
I know even then, when
it came back, that
departing reaction of the girls,
with one that then hung
on me smelled.
You smell like him.
They wanted to know everything exactly.
I was just totally overwhelmed.
How can you all want
to do that?
What is actually happening?
You are all so great, beautiful,
smart, young women.
Eva spent the next night there.
The next day, the
news came, I could
come back.
Then visit Gregorian
Bivolaru.
There is nothing,
very rarely.
Natalie is also asked if
she wants to meet her
guru again two days later.
Natalie said yes.
So she will be brought back to him.
She should pull a blind
eye over her head.
She is given an
aphrodisiac drink,
she says.
And in Bivoularo, everything
goes exactly like before.
In exactly the same positions.
That is what Nathalie tells us.
When it all is over,
Bivoularo says goodbye to
her.
In a few months you will come
back. Nathalie is nicket.
Your second visit to
Bivoularo will not be your last.
Later, her guru will show
you another side of yourself
and that will quite disturb you.
But first, Natalie signs a document
that her people present
on the spot.
She confirms that she has done
everything voluntarily and without
coercion at Bivoularo.
This document will continue
to be addressed.
Afterwards, Natalie flies back to
Romania, to the yoga school,
to her friend Jasper.
She doesn’t tell him what
happened in Paris, because
it’s all a secret.
Eva decides not to go
to Bivoularo again after
her first meeting.
She leaves the apartment and is taken
to the train station, to the
train to Munich.
This is a gilded bed at home,
I just tell myself again, that’
s really something that’s not true.
Eva spent two days grumbling about
what she had experienced
there in Paris.
And then we went really
fast to me, so that
was a tough thing, where
I noticed that, no,
no, no, I just told
you out.
When we sat down at the Isar
with Eva and finished
telling her, there was a
long time of calm between us.
What she apparently experienced
there feels so unreal
here in Munich, on
the Isarufer.
Eva is in our age, just
like we have her family,
she has a stinknormal
job, she laughs
at the same things
as us.
We thought that we could
have been too.
What Eva and Nathalie
told us can be called
gaslighting and
manipulation.
They were caused to
no longer trust
themselves, to
question their
own judgment.
And their thresholds were
gradually reduced.
First tantric exercises, then bikini
photos, later watching porn
and finally having sex with
her guru.
Eva and Nathalie are not
the only ones who told us
about it.
We talked to
over 20 women.
Some have received an invitation
from their Guru.
Eight of them went
to Paris, to Bivoularou.
Their experiences are the same.
The ride with blind eyes,
waiting in the first apartment,
the bedroom with the triple
bed, the many leaves, the
aphrodisiac shot
with cinnamon, bivoularo
in the purple bathing coat.
And the initiation. Even the course
of the positions is apparently
the same.
The eight women come from
Germany, Finland, Romania
and the UK.
They have attended
courses there, at DATI,
at MISA, at Nata, all
schools organized
under the Adman Association.
Eight women I talked to.
How many are there still
out there?
I have a question
to you, I don’t think
you’ve gotten
an ad or something.
I did not know on
what basis. What exactly should
I have announced.
The sexual assault?
The sexual coercion?
The rape?
According to section
177 of the German
Criminal Code, the offence
is committed against
the recognizable will
of another person.
I was quite clear
that it is simply said that
every step you have taken
voluntarily, you are
of full age and
you have never, at any
time, been forced to anything
by anyone.
Eva does not make any complaints.
That’s why so many other
women don’t report.
Not even Nathalie.
But today she thinks about it.
He did not force
us in any way, that is,
physically, to sleep
with him.
So that was not the subject.
But for me, then it’s a bit
of the thing, but if I
can’t really say no, because
I know the consequences
are big and that whole elevator,
so you’re alone somewhere,
you don’t know where you
are, you have nothing, so you
don’t even have clothes
to wear practically,
so.
In the context of
saying no, you really
need eggs.
That’s why, so for me,
it’s, of course,
not rape in the sense
that it has physically
forced us, but in a way
it’s so mental a
coercion.
That shame was so huge.
I mean, how can
this happen to me?
How can I get so
involved and participate
in all this?
So how stupid. Why is?
Why doesn’t it feel great?
This has been heavy
on me for a long time.
I know how long it
took me to tell my husband.
It was terrible
to tell him that.
For years, Eva lived with the
thought that she was to
blame herself until one day
she entrusted her story
to a sectary officer.
She speaks the word abuse
carefully.
I would not have called
it that way because
I never really
said no at any point.
And at the same time, I
now know how much manipulation
was behind it.
So, as they do, they are purely
manipulating and the word
fits very well.
This is a brainwash that hardens.
This will be clearly understood
by Eva only in the conversation
with the sect commissioner.
When that was Berk times,
it was really a liberation
blow for me, because I
really started to
cry and this is the
first time no one has
said that.
You have a
pre-experience in principle.
Of course, we asked the Dati,
the German Academy for
Traditional Yoga, what they
know about a student from
one of their yoga schools
being taught
to Paris about a Dati
yoga teacher and what they
say about the accusation
of abuse.
The answer comes a day
later.
Manipulation, brainwashing,
abuse of power
is not known to us,
writes the chairman.
Not as much as reports or
witnesses with reference to data when
it comes to an initiation
with Gregoriam Bivolaru.
The data has not recruited
anyone to visit him.
The chairman writes,
if the testimony of that
former student corresponds
to the truth, which
we cannot verify, we expressly
advocate for legal
prosecution.
This is not enough for us.
We want to learn more
about the view of the data,
interview the people at
the school, talk
about our research.
However, we are comforted for the
first time, for several weeks.
The chairman writes to us that
he has used the time
to meditate and apologizes
for the delay.
He still has some requests to us,
wants to see samples of
work from us for the first time.
We respond and hope that the
interview will be successful.
Even years after her initiation
to Bivolaru, Eva gradually
gets a very different
concern.
I then started to research
properly, and then you
read more and more about what
is actually being sought,
this whole trafficking
of people.
She reads this in a
outgoing forum that revolves
solely around the Atman
yoga movement.
Reports of women who have
experienced similar things to you.
and more.
Like what betting bats,
stories, warflies, everything.
And then it’s always going
to be gone that there’s somehow
women who masturbate there.
If you were to film it, then
it’s suddenly in a porn.
Okay stop it. We know about sex
chats on the Internet.
In our research, we learned
that some women from
the yoga movement masturbated
live on the Internet.
On various paid sites, which
always only exist
a few months.
We saw a few sites and women
themselves. And the porn?
Eva says she read about
women allegedly
landing in porn
without their
knowledge and consent.
Women who thought they
would be filmed only for their
guru at sexual acts.
I still had the hopper on the
head that it was
running with him in the
apartment, everything was filmed
badly and I also
went to Uberflande at some point.
Is the fear of Ephesus justified?
Could there be footage of sex
with Bivolaru that she doesn’
t know about?
Could they have landed
in a porn?
How much is the danger
to other women?
For Liz, who took a bikini
photo at the yoga school,
for Natalie, who is
also naked, to be filmed.
We meet the one woman who
can judge such a thing
for us.
She has been involved in the
Atman movement for years.
Her name is Cecilia Tietz.
We have been repeatedly
referring to her in our research.
Cecilia is like a Spiderwoman
in the fight against the
yoga movement.
There are many tracks running
together.
Here we sit with her, talk
to her about our research
so far, and we search
the net for tracks
that lead to Atman.
Cicilia knows exactly where to look.
What drives you?
You’re going to spend a lot of
time there, right?
People need to know what
is behind it.
Cicilia was involved in
the yoga movement, very early.
She comes from Romania and
was a young student at
several Misa summer camps.
She moved to Germany
with her then
husband.
and 1989. The two later even
opened their own yoga center,
a site of the German
Academy for Traditional
Yoga in Essen.
Cecilia was there for 14 years.
Then, she says, she learned
what the visits to Gregorian
Bivoularo in Paris really
were about.
And she went out.
Years later, I found
it was more dull in itself
and the whole story is much
worse than I ever thought,
and I’m sure that’
s just the tip of the
iceberg, even with
the things I know
now.
We want to know what
it is about the porn
that Eva told us
about.
And where women from the
yoga school appear everywhere,
with photos and videos.
Cecilia puts a booklet on
the table.
This is a yoga second class,
which is published by Misa
from 2007.
The headline decorates a woman
with long brown hair in the yoga seat.
She wears a bikini that just
so covers everything, and she
has patterns, strikingly large
breasts.
On the left of the table is Tantra,
de la Superorgasme likes Tass.
Everything is about yoga
and sex.
It was previously received
as a student, as an instructor,
as a yoga teacher. Camps
or something.
At that time it was a
7000 piece. They were
then distributed
to the people and sold
in Romania at kiosks.
The magazines are
still sold online.
We also received a
gift like this at our snack
hour in Bucharest.
Cecilia is scattering
the magazine.
Except on page 27.
And there’s something about Miss Shakti.
Now I have to look.
exactly Yes exactly.
There is a Miss Shakti
contest at Misa.
He is a legend at school and
he has been held at the
summer camps in Kostinäscht
until Corona.
Yogis will select
their Miss Shakti.
The most beautiful, intelligent,
sensual woman.
This is Miss Shakti Kostinevich
2006.
We have a photo report from the
contest.
It takes place outside,
on a field,
under a large tent.
It is a large area, you can
see the banks.
The beer bank?
Without a table.
Men and women sit there
and watch a big stage.
In another photo, the contest
participants are ranked
up there, loud young women.
You can see here, you are still
dressed.
This woman is almost naked.
Cecilia tells us there
are different rounds where
women have different
tasks.
After each round, the team
is sorted out as long as there
is one Miss Shakti left until the end.
In the first phase, you can introduce
yourself, tell something about
yourself.
Well, and then you get
various tasks that you
have to somehow embody
on stage.
I know, one gets two apples
and one banana and she
has to represent something.
Or she is the secretary and she
must also do something, and
always something erotic.
Everything goes in that direction.
This sounds like
soft porn.
After script books that the
contest timers should first think
out and then replay
on stage.
That is what Cecilia says.
Combined with meditation.
Here you do your meditation
with the great cosmic
power of Matanji.
This is Tantra.
Something higher.
Something sacred.
Express your femininity.
To unfold their femininity in
such a contest, two out-of-the-
clock women with whom
we talked also wanted to.
One says she should dance
on stage, only
in the bh.
She also tells about secret
tasks, without a public, as part
of the contest.
She saw women masturbate
and urinate and people
standing there
with cameras and
filming.
We are not too keen to tell
you this in such detail,
but urine is central to
the teaching of the yoga
movement.
It is considered a life elixir
and a magic drink.
Drinking urine as a help against
pain, inhibition, stress
and psychological trauma.
The urinary orgasm brings
exquisite happiness, energy,
aura enlargement.
Now we are back at
the porn.
There are some that seem
to be related to the yoga
movement.
Exaltation of Pi, Kingdom of
Golden Pi, Shiny Pi.
These films here, these
first five, are from scenes
that took place within
various Misakti contests.
Pornography in which urination is performed.
So there are apparently women
who landed who thought they
were just being filmed for
the contest as part of the
secret tasks.
That’s what Cecilia says
to us and we read it in
a press release.
The women have made
this public.
The films, Cecilia says,
were made before 2003
and then sold as DVDs and
later online.
Eva was afraid that she was
secretly filmed at the
initiation.
Fortunately, we do
not find any evidence
of secret filming
on Bivolaru.
So, both Natalie and Eva should
be safe in this regard.
But there are also photos
of them, which they
gave yoga teachers before
visiting Paris.
It is supposed to be so that your guru
can read your aura.
In underwear, in bikini and
a film shot of Natalie, naked.
What happens to these recordings?
What are you really thinking about?
We must finally talk to the
people of Misa about these
issues now. Totally official.
We have to arrange an interview
with you.
Our question catalog is long.
We will address them on the
initiations at Bivolaru, on
sex work, on stripes,
on Tantra massages, on sex
chats and on porn movies.
Read the bikini photos of the aura.
On negative HIV and syphilis
tests as a prerequisite
for participation for C.
A.M.S., on the Wiluza.
We have to address them on
a completely different topic.
In our research we come
across another important
point.
It has nothing to do with sex.
It is about life and death.
It leads us to a cemetery
in Romania.
That was initiation.
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Toxic Tantra is a podcast
by me Katja Peisen-Petersen
and Christiane
Havranek.
Thanks to Cecilia Tietz.
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Sound design by Christoph Brandner.
Sound and technique Robin Ault.
Directed by Ron Schickler.
The author is Johanna
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