WEBVTT 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.321 You can find all the episodes of 00:00:07.321 --> 00:00:08.081 this podcast in the 00:00:08.081 --> 00:00:10.101 ARD audio library and everywhere 00:00:10.101 --> 00:00:11.660 there are podcasts. 00:00:14.190 --> 00:00:16.930 An apartment somewhere near Paris. 00:00:17.310 --> 00:00:18.371 In the Bedroom by Gregoriam 00:00:18.371 --> 00:00:20.330 Bivularou. 00:00:20.970 --> 00:00:22.571 Nathalie and Eva sit in the cutting 00:00:22.571 --> 00:00:23.771 seat, in front of 00:00:23.771 --> 00:00:26.070 their guru, on his bed. 00:00:26.410 --> 00:00:30.410 Nathalie in 2021, Eva in 2007. 00:00:30.650 --> 00:00:32.531 Eva still remembers Bivolaru 00:00:32.531 --> 00:00:34.611 asking her this one question, 00:00:34.611 --> 00:00:37.171 whether I want to experience 00:00:37.171 --> 00:00:39.630 spiritual expansions. 00:00:40.210 --> 00:00:41.371 And I knew immediately what it 00:00:41.371 --> 00:00:42.291 was aiming at, and then 00:00:42.291 --> 00:00:45.050 I said pretty clearly, that’s 00:00:45.870 --> 00:00:48.431 what has to happen in order 00:00:48.431 --> 00:00:50.370 to go on spiritually. 00:00:50.590 --> 00:00:52.211 Eva means that now really 00:00:52.211 --> 00:00:55.330 has to have sex with him. 00:00:56.250 --> 00:00:57.411 She remembers how Bivolaru 00:00:57.411 --> 00:00:58.811 spoke to her. 00:00:58.811 --> 00:01:02.210 Do you want to get involved? 00:01:02.210 --> 00:01:04.770 Relax and let yourself in. 00:01:04.770 --> 00:01:06.990 Now we meditate together. 00:01:08.330 --> 00:01:09.971 Nathalie also recalls this 00:01:09.971 --> 00:01:11.471 situation. 00:01:11.610 --> 00:01:13.231 This is the moment when 00:01:13.231 --> 00:01:15.790 we ask God if 00:01:15.790 --> 00:01:17.870 it is integrated. 00:01:18.330 --> 00:01:19.351 I didn’t feel 00:01:19.351 --> 00:01:21.171 like I had a choice. 00:01:21.171 --> 00:01:22.550 00:01:22.550 --> 00:01:23.531 That I knew if I say now 00:01:23.531 --> 00:01:25.310 it is no, then it is 00:01:26.740 --> 00:01:27.801 again so by the motto, 00:01:27.801 --> 00:01:29.760 what’s wrong with you, your 00:01:30.060 --> 00:01:31.781 demons and whatever and 00:01:31.781 --> 00:01:34.200 your ego and blablabla. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:35.601 So that was just there, 00:01:35.601 --> 00:01:36.481 I don’t really feel 00:01:36.481 --> 00:01:38.441 that I’m now safe 00:01:38.441 --> 00:01:40.101 and I can just say now, 00:01:40.101 --> 00:01:42.180 okay, no, is not. 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:43.301 Then we stood in front of 00:01:43.301 --> 00:01:44.241 us, she took my hands and 00:01:44.241 --> 00:01:44.921 we meditated and 00:01:44.921 --> 00:01:48.861 the crash was that then really 00:01:48.861 --> 00:01:50.401 something like, so there 00:01:50.401 --> 00:01:53.081 are things that happened again 00:01:53.081 --> 00:01:54.101 that I can’t explain 00:01:54.101 --> 00:01:55.720 to myself. 00:01:55.800 --> 00:01:56.941 It was really a bit like that, 00:01:56.941 --> 00:01:58.521 oh, crass, there’s some funny 00:01:58.521 --> 00:02:00.241 vibe that’s going out here 00:02:00.241 --> 00:02:01.780 right now. 00:02:01.780 --> 00:02:02.741 I noticed how such a sexual 00:02:02.741 --> 00:02:04.400 desire was triggered. 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:05.380 I cannot tell you how 00:02:05.380 --> 00:02:07.100 this happened. 00:02:07.100 --> 00:02:08.600 I do not know. 00:02:08.740 --> 00:02:09.620 Maybe because I thought it 00:02:09.620 --> 00:02:10.681 had to happen. 00:02:10.681 --> 00:02:12.381 Maybe there was something 00:02:12.381 --> 00:02:15.240 in the water. No idea. 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.021 Maybe my flat breath combined 00:02:17.021 --> 00:02:18.140 with the idea that 00:02:18.140 --> 00:02:19.460 this will happen. 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:20.960 I do not know. 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.801 I can still remember 00:02:23.801 --> 00:02:25.480 the moment he pulled 00:02:25.480 --> 00:02:27.880 his bathing man out. 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:29.741 And I mean, he is only 00:02:29.741 --> 00:02:31.700 an old man, and so my reaction 00:02:33.361 --> 00:02:35.220 was then where I actually 00:02:37.060 --> 00:02:37.461 feel, boah, he 00:02:37.461 --> 00:02:39.241 is not going right at 00:02:39.241 --> 00:02:41.181 all, yes, I just push 00:02:41.181 --> 00:02:42.081 it away, because these 00:02:42.081 --> 00:02:43.521 are my demons, I can’ 00:02:43.521 --> 00:02:45.100 t stop listening. 00:02:50.030 --> 00:02:52.211 And well, then it started 00:02:52.211 --> 00:02:55.330 in principle with the transition 00:02:56.210 --> 00:02:58.670 then to the real but then 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:04.851 it started with all these 00:03:04.851 --> 00:03:07.951 awakenings of the chakras 00:03:07.951 --> 00:03:12.210 over sexual activities. 00:03:13.730 --> 00:03:17.390 And that was the experience. 00:03:17.890 --> 00:03:20.810 Initiation is called the Yoga movement. 00:03:20.810 --> 00:03:22.171 A supposedly 00:03:22.171 --> 00:03:25.010 life-changing event. 00:03:25.410 --> 00:03:28.091 But in reality it’s very 00:03:28.091 --> 00:03:30.350 long sex with her guru. 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:36.360 This is a soul captain. 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:39.200 Season 4 – Toxic Tantra. 00:03:40.060 --> 00:03:41.721 A podcast by Christiane Havranek 00:03:41.721 --> 00:03:43.160 and me, Katja 00:03:43.160 --> 00:03:44.660 Peisen-Petersen. 00:03:46.700 --> 00:03:49.520 Part 6 of Initiation. 00:03:58.290 --> 00:04:00.271 Natalie and Eva, both of whom had 00:04:00.271 --> 00:04:02.750 sex with Gregoriam Bivoularo, they say. 00:04:02.750 --> 00:04:04.351 We only know their 00:04:04.351 --> 00:04:05.690 paintings. 00:04:05.690 --> 00:04:06.531 I would also like to 00:04:06.531 --> 00:04:08.850 hear Gregoriam Bivolaru. 00:04:08.850 --> 00:04:10.230 We tried several times to 00:04:10.230 --> 00:04:13.150 contact him through his lawyer. 00:04:13.170 --> 00:04:14.991 Neither he nor Bivolaru 00:04:14.991 --> 00:04:16.530 answered. 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:19.500 How exactly it went, what 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:21.820 happened when, I 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:25.020 would tell you in detail. 00:04:26.150 --> 00:04:27.631 We will not go into 00:04:27.631 --> 00:04:29.131 details here. 00:04:29.190 --> 00:04:30.471 But we’ll tell you how Nathalie 00:04:30.471 --> 00:04:32.851 and Eva felt this Tantra 00:04:32.851 --> 00:04:35.230 sex with their Guru. 00:04:35.810 --> 00:04:38.070 These descriptions can disturb. 00:04:38.210 --> 00:04:39.670 If you get too much, it is 00:04:39.670 --> 00:04:40.771 best to skip to the next 00:04:40.771 --> 00:04:42.271 episode. 00:04:44.130 --> 00:04:45.630 Here it goes. 00:04:46.370 --> 00:04:48.030 The first time was long. 00:04:48.030 --> 00:04:50.110 Nine or ten hours like this. 00:04:50.110 --> 00:04:51.110 So was long. 00:04:51.110 --> 00:04:51.791 I also know that I counted 00:04:51.791 --> 00:04:53.291 the hours 00:04:53.330 --> 00:04:55.110 I was there. 00:04:55.110 --> 00:04:57.071 Okay, another hour, another 00:04:57.071 --> 00:04:57.970 hour. 00:04:57.970 --> 00:04:59.030 You succeed in it. An hour, 00:04:59.030 --> 00:05:00.430 an hour. 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:01.851 I actually lost every 00:05:01.851 --> 00:05:02.811 sense of time. 00:05:02.811 --> 00:05:03.910 I didn’t know how long 00:05:03.910 --> 00:05:05.110 I was there. 00:05:05.110 --> 00:05:06.170 I think I was there very, 00:05:06.170 --> 00:05:07.430 very long. 00:05:07.430 --> 00:05:08.910 For several hours. 00:05:08.910 --> 00:05:09.871 Did you get something 00:05:09.871 --> 00:05:10.771 to eat and 00:05:10.771 --> 00:05:11.971 drink again? 00:05:11.971 --> 00:05:13.470 No, no no 00:05:13.470 --> 00:05:14.231 I don’t know 00:05:14.231 --> 00:05:15.091 if I drink water 00:05:15.091 --> 00:05:16.190 then. 00:05:16.190 --> 00:05:17.690 Probably a push. 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:19.611 He knew it when I got 00:05:19.611 --> 00:05:21.430 him in the car. 00:05:23.900 --> 00:05:25.520 He sleeps in the meantime. 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:27.721 There are three positions 00:05:27.721 --> 00:05:29.920 where he is standing. 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:31.420 So on the back. 00:05:32.060 --> 00:05:33.841 And yes, he just 00:05:33.841 --> 00:05:35.341 sleeps. 00:05:35.930 --> 00:05:37.911 But even there, that’s exactly 00:05:37.911 --> 00:05:38.771 what, there’s a story being 00:05:38.771 --> 00:05:39.731 told, so according to the motto, 00:05:39.731 --> 00:05:42.031 yes, that he’s then somewhere 00:05:42.031 --> 00:05:44.611 in the astro realm, 00:05:44.611 --> 00:05:46.431 so that’s such a different 00:05:46.431 --> 00:05:48.870 reality practically, where they 00:05:48.870 --> 00:05:50.470 talk about, so. 00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:53.071 He helps you somehow and 00:05:53.071 --> 00:05:55.171 so on. There is a justification 00:05:55.171 --> 00:05:57.710 for absolutely everything. 00:05:57.710 --> 00:05:59.211 I remember when we 00:05:59.211 --> 00:05:59.771 only slept a 00:05:59.771 --> 00:06:01.271 few times. 00:06:01.990 --> 00:06:03.991 And the crash is, it 00:06:03.991 --> 00:06:04.990 doesn’t surprise me if you’re 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:06.131 just going to be birding 00:06:06.131 --> 00:06:08.631 with young things all 00:06:08.631 --> 00:06:10.271 the time from morning to 00:06:10.271 --> 00:06:11.771 evening. 00:06:11.890 --> 00:06:12.991 Just go on, just 00:06:12.991 --> 00:06:14.310 go on, just go on. 00:06:14.310 --> 00:06:16.971 So it wasn’t that I was 00:06:16.971 --> 00:06:19.330 really somewhere. 00:06:19.330 --> 00:06:20.830 So that was the thing. 00:06:21.150 --> 00:06:22.451 I also know I was crying 00:06:22.451 --> 00:06:23.591 a lot during 00:06:23.591 --> 00:06:26.110 that time. 00:06:26.170 --> 00:06:28.011 Where he told me afterwards, 00:06:28.011 --> 00:06:30.110 yes, you saw, you have 00:06:30.350 --> 00:06:31.031 a few problems there 00:06:31.031 --> 00:06:32.370 and there, and that 00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:33.171 is now, but it’s all 00:06:33.171 --> 00:06:34.210 better. 00:06:34.210 --> 00:06:36.831 Because, yes, you just 00:06:36.831 --> 00:06:37.831 got it all out now and 00:06:37.831 --> 00:06:39.331 now it’s better. 00:06:40.030 --> 00:06:41.090 Of course it was not better. 00:06:41.090 --> 00:06:43.151 What do you think you had 00:06:43.151 --> 00:06:44.930 to cry today? 00:06:45.590 --> 00:06:46.751 I simply didn’t 00:06:46.751 --> 00:06:49.610 listen to my body. 00:06:49.610 --> 00:06:50.731 I was not in my body 00:06:50.731 --> 00:06:51.331 at all. 00:06:51.331 --> 00:06:52.651 That was a bit the 00:06:52.651 --> 00:06:53.511 feeling I had. 00:06:53.511 --> 00:06:54.911 So I was just in my head 00:06:54.911 --> 00:06:55.871 so still the motto, you 00:06:55.871 --> 00:06:56.991 have to do it now, you 00:06:56.991 --> 00:06:58.750 have to do it now. 00:07:00.030 --> 00:07:01.091 I was not really involved 00:07:01.091 --> 00:07:02.831 with what was happening 00:07:02.831 --> 00:07:04.490 here. 00:07:05.070 --> 00:07:06.111 Okay, we just 00:07:06.111 --> 00:07:07.231 work now, just 00:07:07.231 --> 00:07:08.930 work, just work. 00:07:09.550 --> 00:07:10.870 It was also to the end that 00:07:10.870 --> 00:07:12.631 I thought there was something 00:07:12.631 --> 00:07:14.210 wrong, that is wrong, 00:07:14.210 --> 00:07:15.290 somehow I can’t, I can’ 00:07:15.290 --> 00:07:16.790 t get out. 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:18.111 I seemed to have breathed 00:07:18.111 --> 00:07:20.651 so flat that my hands were 00:07:20.651 --> 00:07:22.191 cramped anyway, and 00:07:22.191 --> 00:07:24.071 my face, as it was, 00:07:24.071 --> 00:07:26.670 was cramped in the whole. 00:07:26.670 --> 00:07:27.831 And I know of course, oh God, 00:07:27.831 --> 00:07:29.770 I mean, what’s happening? 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:31.951 And no worries, that you 00:07:31.951 --> 00:07:33.530 couldn’t leave me energy. 00:07:33.630 --> 00:07:35.351 Something happened to me that 00:07:35.351 --> 00:07:36.571 has never happened to me 00:07:36.571 --> 00:07:37.910 on a fax. 00:07:37.910 --> 00:07:39.290 My body is shrinking, 00:07:39.290 --> 00:07:41.730 my face is shrinking. 00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:43.331 And yes, I have a blocked 00:07:43.331 --> 00:07:46.251 hunger chemical energy, right? 00:07:46.251 --> 00:07:47.751 clearly. 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.641 After nine or ten hours 00:07:57.641 --> 00:07:58.421 I was there, okay, I was 00:07:58.421 --> 00:08:01.721 tired and yes, then 00:08:01.721 --> 00:08:03.240 it was so, okay. 00:08:04.760 --> 00:08:05.441 I think I then had some 00:08:05.441 --> 00:08:06.681 time such a little bit of the 00:08:06.681 --> 00:08:07.100 bust that 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:07.821 I am really exhausted 00:08:07.821 --> 00:08:08.921 now and I would like to go 00:08:08.921 --> 00:08:11.400 back now, I mean. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.001 So when I went back into the 00:08:13.001 --> 00:08:14.081 room, so I was really just 00:08:14.081 --> 00:08:17.760 about to fall into that way. 00:08:17.760 --> 00:08:19.441 Everything was shaking and 00:08:19.441 --> 00:08:20.761 total, so done. 00:08:20.761 --> 00:08:21.881 I then slept a little 00:08:21.881 --> 00:08:25.181 and then ate a little 00:08:25.181 --> 00:08:26.880 and then a few hours 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:29.821 later I was allowed 00:08:29.821 --> 00:08:31.700 to go. 00:08:33.610 --> 00:08:34.391 Natalie will be driven 00:08:34.391 --> 00:08:35.711 back to the first apartment 00:08:35.711 --> 00:08:37.330 with the other women who are still 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:39.470 waiting for her initiation. 00:08:39.870 --> 00:08:41.411 She says she is being 00:08:41.411 --> 00:08:43.070 taken to a room. 00:08:43.830 --> 00:08:44.971 First, give my testimony, 00:08:44.971 --> 00:08:45.871 so then you will be filmed 00:08:45.871 --> 00:08:49.690 again, where you will 00:08:49.770 --> 00:08:51.271 then stop telling 00:08:51.271 --> 00:08:52.551 your experience now, as 00:08:52.551 --> 00:08:54.051 it was now. 00:08:54.430 --> 00:08:55.610 I know exactly where I 00:08:55.610 --> 00:08:58.331 am just like that... 00:08:58.331 --> 00:08:59.450 I invented something because 00:08:59.450 --> 00:09:00.710 I was so, I have now 00:09:00.710 --> 00:09:01.711 experienced nothing 00:09:01.711 --> 00:09:02.670 great, really. 00:09:02.670 --> 00:09:03.731 When you are filmed, there 00:09:03.731 --> 00:09:05.630 is a girl sitting in the room, 00:09:05.630 --> 00:09:06.271 who has been there for 00:09:06.271 --> 00:09:08.830 eternity and so on. 00:09:08.970 --> 00:09:09.691 And then, of course, you’re not 00:09:09.691 --> 00:09:11.530 sitting there and you’re so by the motto, yes, 00:09:11.530 --> 00:09:13.030 that was full of shit. 00:09:14.860 --> 00:09:16.381 Eva is also brought back to 00:09:16.381 --> 00:09:17.881 the first apartment. 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:19.781 Unlike Nathalie, 00:09:19.781 --> 00:09:21.421 there are no videos 00:09:21.421 --> 00:09:23.040 of her. 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:24.161 He is asked by the 00:09:24.161 --> 00:09:25.121 other women in the 00:09:25.121 --> 00:09:26.740 apartment. 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:28.901 I know even then, when 00:09:28.901 --> 00:09:29.741 it came back, that 00:09:29.741 --> 00:09:31.800 departing reaction of the girls, 00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:32.681 with one that then hung 00:09:32.681 --> 00:09:34.040 on me smelled. 00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:35.680 You smell like him. 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.860 They wanted to know everything exactly. 00:09:38.860 --> 00:09:40.161 I was just totally overwhelmed. 00:09:40.161 --> 00:09:42.641 How can you all want 00:09:42.641 --> 00:09:45.420 to do that? 00:09:45.420 --> 00:09:47.120 What is actually happening? 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:48.760 You are all so great, beautiful, 00:09:48.760 --> 00:09:50.500 smart, young women. 00:09:50.800 --> 00:09:53.440 Eva spent the next night there. 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.281 The next day, the 00:09:55.281 --> 00:09:56.561 news came, I could 00:09:56.561 --> 00:09:58.061 come back. 00:09:58.140 --> 00:09:59.841 Then visit Gregorian 00:09:59.841 --> 00:10:01.380 Bivolaru. 00:10:01.380 --> 00:10:03.041 There is nothing, 00:10:03.041 --> 00:10:04.580 very rarely. 00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:06.641 Natalie is also asked if 00:10:06.641 --> 00:10:08.201 she wants to meet her 00:10:08.201 --> 00:10:11.240 guru again two days later. 00:10:13.030 --> 00:10:14.710 Natalie said yes. 00:10:14.750 --> 00:10:16.630 So she will be brought back to him. 00:10:16.630 --> 00:10:18.251 She should pull a blind 00:10:18.251 --> 00:10:20.190 eye over her head. 00:10:20.350 --> 00:10:21.271 She is given an 00:10:21.271 --> 00:10:22.551 aphrodisiac drink, 00:10:22.551 --> 00:10:24.051 she says. 00:10:24.090 --> 00:10:25.431 And in Bivoularo, everything 00:10:25.431 --> 00:10:27.570 goes exactly like before. 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:29.910 In exactly the same positions. 00:10:30.030 --> 00:10:31.950 That is what Nathalie tells us. 00:10:32.190 --> 00:10:33.610 When it all is over, 00:10:33.610 --> 00:10:34.891 Bivoularo says goodbye to 00:10:34.891 --> 00:10:36.350 her. 00:10:36.350 --> 00:10:39.471 In a few months you will come 00:10:39.471 --> 00:10:42.750 back. Nathalie is nicket. 00:10:42.770 --> 00:10:43.851 Your second visit to 00:10:43.851 --> 00:10:46.350 Bivoularo will not be your last. 00:10:46.350 --> 00:10:48.191 Later, her guru will show 00:10:48.191 --> 00:10:49.711 you another side of yourself 00:10:49.711 --> 00:10:53.050 and that will quite disturb you. 00:10:57.740 --> 00:10:58.961 But first, Natalie signs a document 00:10:58.961 --> 00:11:00.381 that her people present 00:11:00.381 --> 00:11:02.220 on the spot. 00:11:02.300 --> 00:11:03.821 She confirms that she has done 00:11:03.821 --> 00:11:05.701 everything voluntarily and without 00:11:05.701 --> 00:11:07.720 coercion at Bivoularo. 00:11:08.060 --> 00:11:09.221 This document will continue 00:11:09.221 --> 00:11:10.721 to be addressed. 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:12.781 Afterwards, Natalie flies back to 00:11:12.781 --> 00:11:15.280 Romania, to the yoga school, 00:11:15.280 --> 00:11:16.440 to her friend Jasper. 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.401 She doesn’t tell him what 00:11:18.401 --> 00:11:20.361 happened in Paris, because 00:11:20.361 --> 00:11:22.680 it’s all a secret. 00:11:26.920 --> 00:11:28.181 Eva decides not to go 00:11:28.181 --> 00:11:29.681 to Bivoularo again after 00:11:29.681 --> 00:11:31.720 her first meeting. 00:11:32.020 --> 00:11:33.781 She leaves the apartment and is taken 00:11:33.781 --> 00:11:35.981 to the train station, to the 00:11:35.981 --> 00:11:37.460 train to Munich. 00:11:37.460 --> 00:11:38.121 This is a gilded bed at home, 00:11:38.121 --> 00:11:38.721 I just tell myself again, that’ 00:11:38.721 --> 00:11:42.540 s really something that’s not true. 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.801 Eva spent two days grumbling about 00:11:44.801 --> 00:11:45.821 what she had experienced 00:11:45.821 --> 00:11:46.921 there in Paris. 00:11:46.921 --> 00:11:49.041 And then we went really 00:11:49.041 --> 00:11:50.041 fast to me, so that 00:11:50.041 --> 00:11:51.820 was a tough thing, where 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:54.200 I noticed that, no, 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.521 no, no, I just told 00:11:58.521 --> 00:12:00.021 you out. 00:12:04.540 --> 00:12:06.041 When we sat down at the Isar 00:12:06.041 --> 00:12:07.181 with Eva and finished 00:12:07.181 --> 00:12:08.801 telling her, there was a 00:12:08.801 --> 00:12:11.260 long time of calm between us. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:13.861 What she apparently experienced 00:12:13.861 --> 00:12:15.421 there feels so unreal 00:12:15.421 --> 00:12:17.001 here in Munich, on 00:12:17.001 --> 00:12:19.040 the Isarufer. 00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:21.560 Eva is in our age, just 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:22.421 like we have her family, 00:12:22.421 --> 00:12:23.681 she has a stinknormal 00:12:23.681 --> 00:12:24.820 job, she laughs 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:25.821 at the same things 00:12:25.821 --> 00:12:27.321 as us. 00:12:27.420 --> 00:12:29.441 We thought that we could 00:12:29.441 --> 00:12:30.941 have been too. 00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:35.271 What Eva and Nathalie 00:12:35.271 --> 00:12:36.811 told us can be called 00:12:36.811 --> 00:12:38.431 gaslighting and 00:12:38.431 --> 00:12:40.170 manipulation. 00:12:40.630 --> 00:12:42.091 They were caused to 00:12:42.091 --> 00:12:43.131 no longer trust 00:12:43.131 --> 00:12:44.771 themselves, to 00:12:44.771 --> 00:12:46.051 question their 00:12:46.051 --> 00:12:47.730 own judgment. 00:12:47.930 --> 00:12:49.151 And their thresholds were 00:12:49.151 --> 00:12:51.030 gradually reduced. 00:12:51.110 --> 00:12:53.511 First tantric exercises, then bikini 00:12:53.511 --> 00:12:55.771 photos, later watching porn 00:12:55.771 --> 00:12:58.231 and finally having sex with 00:12:58.231 --> 00:12:59.731 her guru. 00:13:01.160 --> 00:13:02.601 Eva and Nathalie are not 00:13:02.601 --> 00:13:03.781 the only ones who told us 00:13:03.781 --> 00:13:05.180 about it. 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:06.521 We talked to 00:13:06.521 --> 00:13:08.220 over 20 women. 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:10.161 Some have received an invitation 00:13:10.161 --> 00:13:11.860 from their Guru. 00:13:11.920 --> 00:13:12.941 Eight of them went 00:13:12.941 --> 00:13:15.960 to Paris, to Bivoularou. 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:17.861 Their experiences are the same. 00:13:17.861 --> 00:13:19.581 The ride with blind eyes, 00:13:19.581 --> 00:13:21.501 waiting in the first apartment, 00:13:21.501 --> 00:13:23.621 the bedroom with the triple 00:13:23.621 --> 00:13:25.521 bed, the many leaves, the 00:13:25.521 --> 00:13:27.141 aphrodisiac shot 00:13:27.141 --> 00:13:28.541 with cinnamon, bivoularo 00:13:28.541 --> 00:13:32.060 in the purple bathing coat. 00:13:32.160 --> 00:13:34.121 And the initiation. Even the course 00:13:34.121 --> 00:13:35.741 of the positions is apparently 00:13:35.741 --> 00:13:37.241 the same. 00:13:37.700 --> 00:13:39.081 The eight women come from 00:13:39.081 --> 00:13:41.161 Germany, Finland, Romania 00:13:41.161 --> 00:13:41.960 and the UK. 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:43.741 They have attended 00:13:43.741 --> 00:13:45.480 courses there, at DATI, 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.721 at MISA, at Nata, all 00:13:47.721 --> 00:13:48.601 schools organized 00:13:48.601 --> 00:13:51.360 under the Adman Association. 00:13:51.900 --> 00:13:53.421 Eight women I talked to. 00:13:53.421 --> 00:13:56.021 How many are there still 00:13:56.021 --> 00:13:57.540 out there? 00:14:03.770 --> 00:14:04.851 I have a question 00:14:04.851 --> 00:14:07.411 to you, I don’t think 00:14:07.411 --> 00:14:08.990 you’ve gotten 00:14:08.990 --> 00:14:11.730 an ad or something. 00:14:11.970 --> 00:14:13.091 I did not know on 00:14:13.091 --> 00:14:17.411 what basis. What exactly should 00:14:17.411 --> 00:14:19.210 I have announced. 00:14:20.400 --> 00:14:22.040 The sexual assault? 00:14:22.040 --> 00:14:23.580 The sexual coercion? 00:14:24.030 --> 00:14:25.530 The rape? 00:14:25.580 --> 00:14:26.881 According to section 00:14:26.881 --> 00:14:29.581 177 of the German 00:14:29.581 --> 00:14:31.501 Criminal Code, the offence 00:14:31.501 --> 00:14:33.241 is committed against 00:14:33.241 --> 00:14:35.301 the recognizable will 00:14:35.301 --> 00:14:37.420 of another person. 00:14:37.420 --> 00:14:38.920 I was quite clear 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.260 that it is simply said that 00:14:42.260 --> 00:14:43.461 every step you have taken 00:14:43.461 --> 00:14:44.620 voluntarily, you are 00:14:44.620 --> 00:14:46.640 of full age and 00:14:47.590 --> 00:14:49.571 you have never, at any 00:14:49.571 --> 00:14:50.791 time, been forced to anything 00:14:50.791 --> 00:14:52.291 by anyone. 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:55.910 Eva does not make any complaints. 00:14:55.970 --> 00:14:57.091 That’s why so many other 00:14:57.091 --> 00:14:59.150 women don’t report. 00:14:59.610 --> 00:15:01.110 Not even Nathalie. 00:15:01.230 --> 00:15:02.950 But today she thinks about it. 00:15:03.190 --> 00:15:04.451 He did not force 00:15:04.451 --> 00:15:06.010 us in any way, that is, 00:15:06.010 --> 00:15:09.271 physically, to sleep 00:15:09.271 --> 00:15:10.030 with him. 00:15:10.030 --> 00:15:11.650 So that was not the subject. 00:15:11.850 --> 00:15:12.991 But for me, then it’s a bit 00:15:12.991 --> 00:15:14.491 of the thing, but if I 00:15:15.820 --> 00:15:18.241 can’t really say no, because 00:15:18.241 --> 00:15:21.101 I know the consequences 00:15:21.101 --> 00:15:24.161 are big and that whole elevator, 00:15:24.161 --> 00:15:26.020 so you’re alone somewhere, 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:27.800 you don’t know where you 00:15:27.800 --> 00:15:30.021 are, you have nothing, so you 00:15:30.021 --> 00:15:31.261 don’t even have clothes 00:15:31.261 --> 00:15:33.021 to wear practically, 00:15:33.021 --> 00:15:35.080 so. 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:36.921 In the context of 00:15:36.921 --> 00:15:37.821 saying no, you really 00:15:37.821 --> 00:15:40.260 need eggs. 00:15:40.280 --> 00:15:41.101 That’s why, so for me, 00:15:41.101 --> 00:15:41.661 it’s, of course, 00:15:41.661 --> 00:15:43.541 not rape in the sense 00:15:43.541 --> 00:15:44.621 that it has physically 00:15:44.621 --> 00:15:46.841 forced us, but in a way 00:15:46.841 --> 00:15:48.901 it’s so mental a 00:15:48.901 --> 00:15:51.120 coercion. 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:53.720 That shame was so huge. 00:15:54.040 --> 00:15:55.540 I mean, how can 00:15:56.140 --> 00:15:57.400 this happen to me? 00:15:57.400 --> 00:15:58.061 How can I get so 00:15:58.061 --> 00:16:00.701 involved and participate 00:16:00.701 --> 00:16:02.201 in all this? 00:16:02.620 --> 00:16:04.760 So how stupid. Why is? 00:16:04.760 --> 00:16:11.100 Why doesn’t it feel great? 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:13.521 This has been heavy 00:16:13.521 --> 00:16:15.500 on me for a long time. 00:16:15.500 --> 00:16:16.181 I know how long it 00:16:16.181 --> 00:16:17.101 took me to tell my husband. 00:16:17.101 --> 00:16:18.861 It was terrible 00:16:18.861 --> 00:16:22.480 to tell him that. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.081 For years, Eva lived with the 00:16:29.081 --> 00:16:30.681 thought that she was to 00:16:30.681 --> 00:16:33.281 blame herself until one day 00:16:33.281 --> 00:16:34.401 she entrusted her story 00:16:34.401 --> 00:16:36.840 to a sectary officer. 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:38.461 She speaks the word abuse 00:16:38.461 --> 00:16:40.420 carefully. 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.521 I would not have called 00:16:41.521 --> 00:16:43.441 it that way because 00:16:43.441 --> 00:16:44.121 I never really 00:16:44.121 --> 00:16:46.020 said no at any point. 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:47.281 And at the same time, I 00:16:47.281 --> 00:16:49.281 now know how much manipulation 00:16:49.281 --> 00:16:50.820 was behind it. 00:16:51.340 --> 00:16:53.101 So, as they do, they are purely 00:16:53.101 --> 00:16:55.701 manipulating and the word 00:16:55.701 --> 00:16:57.420 fits very well. 00:16:57.420 --> 00:16:59.480 This is a brainwash that hardens. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.221 This will be clearly understood 00:17:02.221 --> 00:17:03.041 by Eva only in the conversation 00:17:03.041 --> 00:17:05.660 with the sect commissioner. 00:17:06.340 --> 00:17:08.101 When that was Berk times, 00:17:08.101 --> 00:17:08.881 it was really a liberation 00:17:08.881 --> 00:17:09.981 blow for me, because I 00:17:09.981 --> 00:17:10.581 really started to 00:17:10.581 --> 00:17:11.381 cry and this is the 00:17:11.381 --> 00:17:12.421 first time no one has 00:17:12.421 --> 00:17:13.920 said that. 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:14.941 You have a 00:17:14.941 --> 00:17:17.220 pre-experience in principle. 00:17:20.770 --> 00:17:22.310 Of course, we asked the Dati, 00:17:22.310 --> 00:17:23.811 the German Academy for 00:17:23.811 --> 00:17:25.710 Traditional Yoga, what they 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:27.011 know about a student from 00:17:27.011 --> 00:17:28.571 one of their yoga schools 00:17:28.571 --> 00:17:29.351 being taught 00:17:29.351 --> 00:17:30.771 to Paris about a Dati 00:17:30.771 --> 00:17:33.370 yoga teacher and what they 00:17:33.550 --> 00:17:35.011 say about the accusation 00:17:35.011 --> 00:17:36.511 of abuse. 00:17:37.850 --> 00:17:39.291 The answer comes a day 00:17:39.291 --> 00:17:40.791 later. 00:17:41.650 --> 00:17:43.090 Manipulation, brainwashing, 00:17:43.090 --> 00:17:44.331 abuse of power 00:17:44.331 --> 00:17:45.890 is not known to us, 00:17:45.890 --> 00:17:47.670 writes the chairman. 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:49.031 Not as much as reports or 00:17:49.031 --> 00:17:51.510 witnesses with reference to data when 00:17:51.510 --> 00:17:53.131 it comes to an initiation 00:17:53.131 --> 00:17:55.270 with Gregoriam Bivolaru. 00:17:55.690 --> 00:17:57.391 The data has not recruited 00:17:57.391 --> 00:17:59.770 anyone to visit him. 00:18:00.090 --> 00:18:01.950 The chairman writes, 00:18:01.950 --> 00:18:03.771 if the testimony of that 00:18:03.771 --> 00:18:05.091 former student corresponds 00:18:05.091 --> 00:18:06.350 to the truth, which 00:18:06.350 --> 00:18:08.230 we cannot verify, we expressly 00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:09.671 advocate for legal 00:18:09.671 --> 00:18:11.790 prosecution. 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.180 This is not enough for us. 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:16.861 We want to learn more 00:18:16.861 --> 00:18:18.461 about the view of the data, 00:18:18.461 --> 00:18:19.541 interview the people at 00:18:19.541 --> 00:18:21.000 the school, talk 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.820 about our research. 00:18:23.620 --> 00:18:24.701 However, we are comforted for the 00:18:24.701 --> 00:18:27.260 first time, for several weeks. 00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:29.200 The chairman writes to us that 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:30.141 he has used the time 00:18:30.141 --> 00:18:31.341 to meditate and apologizes 00:18:31.341 --> 00:18:33.240 for the delay. 00:18:33.320 --> 00:18:34.701 He still has some requests to us, 00:18:34.701 --> 00:18:35.981 wants to see samples of 00:18:35.981 --> 00:18:37.780 work from us for the first time. 00:18:38.040 --> 00:18:39.701 We respond and hope that the 00:18:39.701 --> 00:18:41.640 interview will be successful. 00:18:42.740 --> 00:18:44.561 Even years after her initiation 00:18:44.561 --> 00:18:45.861 to Bivolaru, Eva gradually 00:18:45.861 --> 00:18:48.121 gets a very different 00:18:48.121 --> 00:18:50.460 concern. 00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:52.161 I then started to research 00:18:52.161 --> 00:18:53.201 properly, and then you 00:18:53.201 --> 00:18:54.761 read more and more about what 00:18:54.761 --> 00:18:56.161 is actually being sought, 00:18:56.161 --> 00:18:58.281 this whole trafficking 00:18:58.281 --> 00:19:00.460 of people. 00:19:01.340 --> 00:19:02.461 She reads this in a 00:19:02.461 --> 00:19:04.121 outgoing forum that revolves 00:19:04.121 --> 00:19:05.321 solely around the Atman 00:19:05.321 --> 00:19:07.361 yoga movement. 00:19:07.361 --> 00:19:08.921 Reports of women who have 00:19:08.921 --> 00:19:10.820 experienced similar things to you. 00:19:10.820 --> 00:19:12.300 and more. 00:19:12.300 --> 00:19:13.520 Like what betting bats, 00:19:13.520 --> 00:19:14.820 stories, warflies, everything. 00:19:14.820 --> 00:19:16.281 And then it’s always going 00:19:16.281 --> 00:19:18.001 to be gone that there’s somehow 00:19:18.001 --> 00:19:19.480 women who masturbate there. 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:20.561 If you were to film it, then 00:19:20.561 --> 00:19:22.680 it’s suddenly in a porn. 00:19:24.650 --> 00:19:26.371 Okay stop it. We know about sex 00:19:26.371 --> 00:19:28.430 chats on the Internet. 00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:29.851 In our research, we learned 00:19:29.851 --> 00:19:31.231 that some women from 00:19:31.231 --> 00:19:32.711 the yoga movement masturbated 00:19:32.711 --> 00:19:34.591 live on the Internet. 00:19:34.591 --> 00:19:36.890 On various paid sites, which 00:19:36.890 --> 00:19:37.711 always only exist 00:19:37.711 --> 00:19:39.450 a few months. 00:19:39.450 --> 00:19:40.791 We saw a few sites and women 00:19:40.791 --> 00:19:44.270 themselves. And the porn? 00:19:45.090 --> 00:19:46.731 Eva says she read about 00:19:46.731 --> 00:19:47.810 women allegedly 00:19:47.810 --> 00:19:49.171 landing in porn 00:19:49.171 --> 00:19:50.730 without their 00:19:50.730 --> 00:19:53.110 knowledge and consent. 00:19:53.250 --> 00:19:54.711 Women who thought they 00:19:54.711 --> 00:19:56.591 would be filmed only for their 00:19:56.591 --> 00:19:58.430 guru at sexual acts. 00:19:58.890 --> 00:19:59.811 I still had the hopper on the 00:19:59.811 --> 00:20:00.970 head that it was 00:20:00.970 --> 00:20:01.951 running with him in the 00:20:01.951 --> 00:20:02.811 apartment, everything was filmed 00:20:02.811 --> 00:20:03.491 badly and I also 00:20:03.491 --> 00:20:05.530 went to Uberflande at some point. 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:08.830 Is the fear of Ephesus justified? 00:20:09.090 --> 00:20:10.771 Could there be footage of sex 00:20:10.771 --> 00:20:12.431 with Bivolaru that she doesn’ 00:20:12.431 --> 00:20:13.931 t know about? 00:20:14.510 --> 00:20:15.871 Could they have landed 00:20:15.871 --> 00:20:17.371 in a porn? 00:20:17.570 --> 00:20:19.071 How much is the danger 00:20:19.071 --> 00:20:20.670 to other women? 00:20:20.930 --> 00:20:22.731 For Liz, who took a bikini 00:20:22.731 --> 00:20:24.590 photo at the yoga school, 00:20:24.590 --> 00:20:26.431 for Natalie, who is 00:20:26.431 --> 00:20:28.450 also naked, to be filmed. 00:20:30.810 --> 00:20:32.551 We meet the one woman who 00:20:32.551 --> 00:20:34.011 can judge such a thing 00:20:34.011 --> 00:20:34.951 for us. 00:20:34.951 --> 00:20:36.591 She has been involved in the 00:20:36.591 --> 00:20:39.150 Atman movement for years. 00:20:39.390 --> 00:20:41.570 Her name is Cecilia Tietz. 00:20:41.570 --> 00:20:42.831 We have been repeatedly 00:20:42.831 --> 00:20:45.030 referring to her in our research. 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:47.051 Cecilia is like a Spiderwoman 00:20:47.051 --> 00:20:48.571 in the fight against the 00:20:48.571 --> 00:20:49.970 yoga movement. 00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:51.391 There are many tracks running 00:20:51.391 --> 00:20:52.891 together. 00:20:53.390 --> 00:20:55.110 Here we sit with her, talk 00:20:55.110 --> 00:20:56.391 to her about our research 00:20:56.391 --> 00:20:57.531 so far, and we search 00:20:57.531 --> 00:20:59.551 the net for tracks 00:20:59.551 --> 00:21:02.110 that lead to Atman. 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:05.470 Cicilia knows exactly where to look. 00:21:05.770 --> 00:21:07.630 What drives you? 00:21:08.850 --> 00:21:10.511 You’re going to spend a lot of 00:21:10.511 --> 00:21:12.011 time there, right? 00:21:12.610 --> 00:21:14.531 People need to know what 00:21:14.531 --> 00:21:16.470 is behind it. 00:21:17.550 --> 00:21:19.551 Cicilia was involved in 00:21:19.551 --> 00:21:21.790 the yoga movement, very early. 00:21:21.810 --> 00:21:23.291 She comes from Romania and 00:21:23.291 --> 00:21:24.651 was a young student at 00:21:24.651 --> 00:21:26.990 several Misa summer camps. 00:21:27.310 --> 00:21:28.491 She moved to Germany 00:21:28.491 --> 00:21:29.451 with her then 00:21:29.451 --> 00:21:30.750 husband. 00:21:30.750 --> 00:21:34.171 and 1989. The two later even 00:21:34.171 --> 00:21:35.891 opened their own yoga center, 00:21:35.891 --> 00:21:37.791 a site of the German 00:21:37.791 --> 00:21:39.311 Academy for Traditional 00:21:39.311 --> 00:21:41.430 Yoga in Essen. 00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:44.730 Cecilia was there for 14 years. 00:21:44.730 --> 00:21:46.031 Then, she says, she learned 00:21:46.031 --> 00:21:47.431 what the visits to Gregorian 00:21:47.431 --> 00:21:49.391 Bivoularo in Paris really 00:21:49.391 --> 00:21:51.330 were about. 00:21:52.370 --> 00:21:54.190 And she went out. 00:21:54.190 --> 00:21:55.211 Years later, I found 00:21:55.211 --> 00:21:56.871 it was more dull in itself 00:21:56.871 --> 00:21:59.231 and the whole story is much 00:21:59.231 --> 00:22:00.951 worse than I ever thought, 00:22:00.951 --> 00:22:02.791 and I’m sure that’ 00:22:02.791 --> 00:22:05.951 s just the tip of the 00:22:05.951 --> 00:22:08.030 iceberg, even with 00:22:08.290 --> 00:22:09.231 the things I know 00:22:09.231 --> 00:22:10.730 now. 00:22:10.730 --> 00:22:11.930 We want to know what 00:22:11.930 --> 00:22:13.191 it is about the porn 00:22:13.191 --> 00:22:14.491 that Eva told us 00:22:14.491 --> 00:22:15.490 about. 00:22:15.490 --> 00:22:16.851 And where women from the 00:22:16.851 --> 00:22:17.871 yoga school appear everywhere, 00:22:17.871 --> 00:22:20.650 with photos and videos. 00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:22.891 Cecilia puts a booklet on 00:22:22.891 --> 00:22:23.651 the table. 00:22:23.651 --> 00:22:26.391 This is a yoga second class, 00:22:26.391 --> 00:22:27.711 which is published by Misa 00:22:27.711 --> 00:22:30.170 from 2007. 00:22:30.950 --> 00:22:32.991 The headline decorates a woman 00:22:32.991 --> 00:22:35.810 with long brown hair in the yoga seat. 00:22:35.990 --> 00:22:37.551 She wears a bikini that just 00:22:37.551 --> 00:22:39.371 so covers everything, and she 00:22:39.371 --> 00:22:41.471 has patterns, strikingly large 00:22:41.471 --> 00:22:42.971 breasts. 00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:45.770 On the left of the table is Tantra, 00:22:45.770 --> 00:22:48.210 de la Superorgasme likes Tass. 00:22:48.390 --> 00:22:49.931 Everything is about yoga 00:22:49.931 --> 00:22:50.751 and sex. 00:22:50.751 --> 00:22:54.011 It was previously received 00:22:54.011 --> 00:22:56.830 as a student, as an instructor, 00:22:56.830 --> 00:23:00.071 as a yoga teacher. Camps 00:23:00.071 --> 00:23:02.330 or something. 00:23:02.550 --> 00:23:04.231 At that time it was a 00:23:04.231 --> 00:23:07.051 7000 piece. They were 00:23:07.051 --> 00:23:08.931 then distributed 00:23:08.931 --> 00:23:10.411 to the people and sold 00:23:10.411 --> 00:23:13.610 in Romania at kiosks. 00:23:13.830 --> 00:23:15.011 The magazines are 00:23:15.011 --> 00:23:17.550 still sold online. 00:23:17.750 --> 00:23:18.711 We also received a 00:23:18.711 --> 00:23:20.031 gift like this at our snack 00:23:20.031 --> 00:23:21.910 hour in Bucharest. 00:23:22.510 --> 00:23:23.911 Cecilia is scattering 00:23:23.911 --> 00:23:25.090 the magazine. 00:23:25.090 --> 00:23:27.410 Except on page 27. 00:23:27.410 --> 00:23:30.150 And there’s something about Miss Shakti. 00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:31.790 Now I have to look. 00:23:32.310 --> 00:23:33.810 exactly Yes exactly. 00:23:34.310 --> 00:23:35.551 There is a Miss Shakti 00:23:35.551 --> 00:23:37.750 contest at Misa. 00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:39.491 He is a legend at school and 00:23:39.491 --> 00:23:41.251 he has been held at the 00:23:41.251 --> 00:23:42.271 summer camps in Kostinäscht 00:23:42.271 --> 00:23:45.150 until Corona. 00:23:45.510 --> 00:23:46.851 Yogis will select 00:23:46.851 --> 00:23:48.851 their Miss Shakti. 00:23:48.851 --> 00:23:51.430 The most beautiful, intelligent, 00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:52.930 sensual woman. 00:23:54.070 --> 00:23:55.391 This is Miss Shakti Kostinevich 00:23:55.391 --> 00:23:58.950 2006. 00:24:00.790 --> 00:24:02.451 We have a photo report from the 00:24:02.451 --> 00:24:03.730 contest. 00:24:03.730 --> 00:24:05.611 It takes place outside, 00:24:05.611 --> 00:24:06.570 on a field, 00:24:06.570 --> 00:24:08.450 under a large tent. 00:24:08.730 --> 00:24:10.871 It is a large area, you can 00:24:10.871 --> 00:24:12.430 see the banks. 00:24:12.430 --> 00:24:13.170 The beer bank? 00:24:13.170 --> 00:24:15.310 Without a table. 00:24:15.790 --> 00:24:17.211 Men and women sit there 00:24:17.211 --> 00:24:19.130 and watch a big stage. 00:24:19.130 --> 00:24:21.071 In another photo, the contest 00:24:21.071 --> 00:24:22.691 participants are ranked 00:24:22.691 --> 00:24:25.510 up there, loud young women. 00:24:25.770 --> 00:24:27.291 You can see here, you are still 00:24:27.291 --> 00:24:29.430 dressed. 00:24:29.990 --> 00:24:32.650 This woman is almost naked. 00:24:34.390 --> 00:24:36.571 Cecilia tells us there 00:24:36.571 --> 00:24:38.071 are different rounds where 00:24:38.071 --> 00:24:39.511 women have different 00:24:39.511 --> 00:24:41.011 tasks. 00:24:41.210 --> 00:24:42.211 After each round, the team 00:24:42.211 --> 00:24:44.071 is sorted out as long as there 00:24:44.071 --> 00:24:46.690 is one Miss Shakti left until the end. 00:24:47.030 --> 00:24:50.691 In the first phase, you can introduce 00:24:50.691 --> 00:24:52.171 yourself, tell something about 00:24:52.171 --> 00:24:53.671 yourself. 00:24:53.930 --> 00:24:55.911 Well, and then you get 00:24:55.911 --> 00:24:58.991 various tasks that you 00:24:58.991 --> 00:25:00.771 have to somehow embody 00:25:00.771 --> 00:25:02.350 on stage. 00:25:02.350 --> 00:25:03.971 I know, one gets two apples 00:25:03.971 --> 00:25:05.871 and one banana and she 00:25:05.871 --> 00:25:08.230 has to represent something. 00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:10.371 Or she is the secretary and she 00:25:10.371 --> 00:25:12.390 must also do something, and 00:25:12.390 --> 00:25:14.270 always something erotic. 00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:19.090 Everything goes in that direction. 00:25:19.780 --> 00:25:21.541 This sounds like 00:25:21.541 --> 00:25:23.160 soft porn. 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:24.701 After script books that the 00:25:24.701 --> 00:25:26.901 contest timers should first think 00:25:26.901 --> 00:25:28.101 out and then replay 00:25:28.101 --> 00:25:29.620 on stage. 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.400 That is what Cecilia says. 00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:34.340 Combined with meditation. 00:25:34.340 --> 00:25:35.161 Here you do your meditation 00:25:35.161 --> 00:25:37.561 with the great cosmic 00:25:37.561 --> 00:25:39.840 power of Matanji. 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:42.800 This is Tantra. 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:44.120 Something higher. 00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:45.820 Something sacred. 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:47.940 Express your femininity. 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:51.821 To unfold their femininity in 00:25:51.821 --> 00:25:53.981 such a contest, two out-of-the- 00:25:53.981 --> 00:25:55.060 clock women with whom 00:25:55.060 --> 00:25:57.000 we talked also wanted to. 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.081 One says she should dance 00:25:59.081 --> 00:26:00.140 on stage, only 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:01.640 in the bh. 00:26:01.780 --> 00:26:03.121 She also tells about secret 00:26:03.121 --> 00:26:05.620 tasks, without a public, as part 00:26:05.620 --> 00:26:07.400 of the contest. 00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:09.061 She saw women masturbate 00:26:09.061 --> 00:26:11.201 and urinate and people 00:26:11.201 --> 00:26:12.681 standing there 00:26:12.681 --> 00:26:14.341 with cameras and 00:26:14.341 --> 00:26:16.420 filming. 00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:18.081 We are not too keen to tell 00:26:18.081 --> 00:26:19.421 you this in such detail, 00:26:19.421 --> 00:26:20.801 but urine is central to 00:26:20.801 --> 00:26:22.521 the teaching of the yoga 00:26:22.521 --> 00:26:24.160 movement. 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:25.941 It is considered a life elixir 00:26:25.941 --> 00:26:27.441 and a magic drink. 00:26:27.460 --> 00:26:29.101 Drinking urine as a help against 00:26:29.101 --> 00:26:31.280 pain, inhibition, stress 00:26:31.320 --> 00:26:33.780 and psychological trauma. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.921 The urinary orgasm brings 00:26:35.921 --> 00:26:38.000 exquisite happiness, energy, 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.781 aura enlargement. 00:26:39.781 --> 00:26:43.351 Now we are back at 00:26:43.351 --> 00:26:44.870 the porn. 00:26:44.870 --> 00:26:46.151 There are some that seem 00:26:46.151 --> 00:26:47.771 to be related to the yoga 00:26:47.771 --> 00:26:48.511 movement. 00:26:48.511 --> 00:26:51.031 Exaltation of Pi, Kingdom of 00:26:51.031 --> 00:26:52.950 Golden Pi, Shiny Pi. 00:26:53.530 --> 00:26:55.531 These films here, these 00:26:55.531 --> 00:26:59.710 first five, are from scenes 00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:02.090 that took place within 00:27:02.090 --> 00:27:05.230 various Misakti contests. 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:09.401 Pornography in which urination is performed. 00:27:09.401 --> 00:27:11.101 So there are apparently women 00:27:11.101 --> 00:27:12.601 who landed who thought they 00:27:12.601 --> 00:27:14.061 were just being filmed for 00:27:14.061 --> 00:27:16.181 the contest as part of the 00:27:16.181 --> 00:27:17.840 secret tasks. 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:19.881 That’s what Cecilia says 00:27:19.881 --> 00:27:21.141 to us and we read it in 00:27:21.141 --> 00:27:22.780 a press release. 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:24.281 The women have made 00:27:24.281 --> 00:27:25.781 this public. 00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:28.161 The films, Cecilia says, 00:27:28.161 --> 00:27:30.761 were made before 2003 00:27:30.761 --> 00:27:32.761 and then sold as DVDs and 00:27:32.761 --> 00:27:34.560 later online. 00:27:35.320 --> 00:27:36.741 Eva was afraid that she was 00:27:36.741 --> 00:27:38.121 secretly filmed at the 00:27:38.121 --> 00:27:39.470 initiation. 00:27:39.470 --> 00:27:41.171 Fortunately, we do 00:27:41.171 --> 00:27:42.411 not find any evidence 00:27:42.411 --> 00:27:43.651 of secret filming 00:27:43.651 --> 00:27:45.290 on Bivolaru. 00:27:46.050 --> 00:27:47.671 So, both Natalie and Eva should 00:27:47.671 --> 00:27:50.110 be safe in this regard. 00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:52.171 But there are also photos 00:27:52.171 --> 00:27:53.151 of them, which they 00:27:53.151 --> 00:27:54.831 gave yoga teachers before 00:27:54.831 --> 00:27:56.190 visiting Paris. 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:58.351 It is supposed to be so that your guru 00:27:58.351 --> 00:27:59.650 can read your aura. 00:27:59.650 --> 00:28:02.111 In underwear, in bikini and 00:28:02.111 --> 00:28:04.710 a film shot of Natalie, naked. 00:28:05.370 --> 00:28:07.150 What happens to these recordings? 00:28:07.150 --> 00:28:09.630 What are you really thinking about? 00:28:11.150 --> 00:28:12.311 We must finally talk to the 00:28:12.311 --> 00:28:13.851 people of Misa about these 00:28:13.851 --> 00:28:16.850 issues now. Totally official. 00:28:17.290 --> 00:28:18.371 We have to arrange an interview 00:28:18.371 --> 00:28:19.871 with you. 00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:21.930 Our question catalog is long. 00:28:22.250 --> 00:28:23.831 We will address them on the 00:28:23.831 --> 00:28:25.810 initiations at Bivolaru, on 00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:27.791 sex work, on stripes, 00:28:27.791 --> 00:28:29.990 on Tantra massages, on sex 00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:33.030 chats and on porn movies. 00:28:33.170 --> 00:28:35.431 Read the bikini photos of the aura. 00:28:35.431 --> 00:28:37.371 On negative HIV and syphilis 00:28:37.371 --> 00:28:38.671 tests as a prerequisite 00:28:38.671 --> 00:28:40.031 for participation for C. 00:28:40.031 --> 00:28:42.470 A.M.S., on the Wiluza. 00:28:43.010 --> 00:28:44.271 We have to address them on 00:28:44.271 --> 00:28:46.750 a completely different topic. 00:28:46.770 --> 00:28:48.771 In our research we come 00:28:48.771 --> 00:28:50.531 across another important 00:28:50.531 --> 00:28:52.031 point. 00:28:52.490 --> 00:28:54.830 It has nothing to do with sex. 00:28:55.730 --> 00:28:58.250 It is about life and death. 00:28:59.570 --> 00:29:01.071 It leads us to a cemetery 00:29:01.071 --> 00:29:03.570 in Romania. 00:29:08.280 --> 00:29:11.240 That was initiation. 00:29:11.340 --> 00:29:14.000 The sixth episode of Soulfighters. 00:29:14.060 --> 00:29:16.901 The toxic tantra. 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The new psychology podcast from 00:30:38.241 --> 00:30:39.541 Bayern 2 Radio Wissen 00:30:39.541 --> 00:30:42.640 and SWA 2 Wissen gives answers. 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.681 The podcast takes you to the world 00:30:44.681 --> 00:30:45.361 of psychology with 00:30:45.361 --> 00:30:46.541 a close and scientific 00:30:46.541 --> 00:30:48.120 foundation. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.080 constructive and on the point. 00:30:50.080 --> 00:30:50.661 How can I relax 00:30:50.661 --> 00:30:52.660 through meditation? 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.860 Why is it healthy to be grateful? 00:30:54.860 --> 00:30:56.920 What draws us far away? 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.201 The link to HowWeTicken can 00:30:59.201 --> 00:31:01.100 be found in the Show Notes, the 00:31:01.100 --> 00:31:03.181 podcast can be heard every Wednesday exclusively 00:31:03.181 --> 00:31:05.940 in the RRD audiothek. 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.401 How do you know that the sporting 00:31:07.401 --> 00:31:08.621 landscape in Germany 00:31:08.621 --> 00:31:10.520 is masculine and conservative? 00:31:10.620 --> 00:31:11.721 Why, for example, is there 00:31:11.721 --> 00:31:12.821 still too little empirical 00:31:12.821 --> 00:31:14.501 knowledge about the impact of 00:31:14.501 --> 00:31:16.061 the female cycle on athletic 00:31:16.061 --> 00:31:17.500 performance? 00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:18.821 And how can sports spaces 00:31:18.821 --> 00:31:20.341 overall be made more accessible 00:31:20.341 --> 00:31:21.660 and less barriers? 00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.741 Lena Sindermann talks about this 00:31:23.741 --> 00:31:25.501 with basketball player Iretia Mocho 00:31:25.501 --> 00:31:27.760 and yoga teacher Sophie Schwarz. 00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:29.041 They wear feminist glasses 00:31:29.041 --> 00:31:30.121 and look critically 00:31:30.121 --> 00:31:32.740 at discrimination in sport. 00:31:32.820 --> 00:31:34.521 Listen to the violet podcast 00:31:34.521 --> 00:31:36.581 feminism for everyone, wherever 00:31:36.581 --> 00:31:38.081 there are podcasts.