WEBVTT 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.341 You can find all the episodes of 00:00:07.341 --> 00:00:08.081 this podcast in the 00:00:08.081 --> 00:00:10.101 ARD audio library and everywhere 00:00:10.101 --> 00:00:11.680 there are podcasts. 00:00:14.450 --> 00:00:17.390 An endless series of tombstones. 00:00:17.930 --> 00:00:21.170 by Elena, Lucia, Michaela 00:00:21.930 --> 00:00:23.191 My colleague Christiane 00:00:23.191 --> 00:00:24.711 Havranek and I scan the 00:00:24.711 --> 00:00:26.810 graves by name and deaths. 00:00:26.810 --> 00:00:29.130 It is autumn 2023. 00:00:30.670 --> 00:00:31.991 The descendant Nathalie took 00:00:31.991 --> 00:00:34.570 us to a cemetery in Romania. 00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:36.031 Google Maps is about to send 00:00:36.031 --> 00:00:37.891 us to a certain place. 00:00:37.891 --> 00:00:38.651 Let’s listen to what 00:00:38.651 --> 00:00:40.470 Nathalie says. 00:00:41.070 --> 00:00:42.271 So that is the rough direction 00:00:42.271 --> 00:00:43.750 now. 00:00:43.750 --> 00:00:44.851 So if you stand in front of 00:00:44.851 --> 00:00:45.911 the chapel and run towards 00:00:45.911 --> 00:00:47.170 the main streets, 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:48.811 it is on your left side and 00:00:48.811 --> 00:00:50.810 not so far clean, but relatively 00:00:50.810 --> 00:00:52.071 close to this path that 00:00:52.071 --> 00:00:52.871 stops from the main 00:00:52.871 --> 00:00:54.750 road to the chapel. 00:00:54.970 --> 00:00:56.671 Nathalie was already standing on 00:00:56.671 --> 00:00:57.930 that grave. 00:00:57.930 --> 00:00:58.631 A woman from the 00:00:58.631 --> 00:00:59.911 yoga movement was buried 00:00:59.911 --> 00:01:01.630 there, she says. 00:01:01.730 --> 00:01:03.430 A woman from Germany. 00:01:03.650 --> 00:01:05.091 Only Nathalie knows her 00:01:05.091 --> 00:01:06.490 last name. 00:01:06.490 --> 00:01:07.751 Because we need it to find 00:01:07.751 --> 00:01:09.450 relatives, we are 00:01:09.450 --> 00:01:11.350 now looking for their grave. 00:01:11.530 --> 00:01:13.470 At least that is the area. 00:01:13.690 --> 00:01:15.690 I am super sure. 00:01:15.990 --> 00:01:17.411 Nathalie could tell us her 00:01:17.411 --> 00:01:18.691 first name and her 00:01:18.691 --> 00:01:20.990 death date. 00:01:21.030 --> 00:01:21.951 I was there the day she 00:01:21.951 --> 00:01:23.171 was stuck in our house. 00:01:23.171 --> 00:01:24.851 And that was pretty 00:01:24.851 --> 00:01:26.430 violent. 00:01:27.370 --> 00:01:28.251 It was also the first 00:01:28.251 --> 00:01:29.931 time I was in contact 00:01:29.931 --> 00:01:32.250 with a death. 00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:43.000 This is a soul captain. 00:01:43.720 --> 00:01:45.220 The toxic tantra. 00:01:47.150 --> 00:01:48.791 A podcast by Christiane Havranek 00:01:48.791 --> 00:01:50.050 and me, Katja 00:01:50.050 --> 00:01:53.450 Peisen-Petersen. 00:01:54.360 --> 00:01:57.100 Following 7. Expensive herbs. 00:02:01.930 --> 00:02:03.731 Why do we tell you about 00:02:03.731 --> 00:02:05.150 this woman? 00:02:05.150 --> 00:02:06.611 Because her death has brought 00:02:06.611 --> 00:02:08.110 us to the trail of what 00:02:08.110 --> 00:02:09.511 is thought of in the yoga movement 00:02:09.511 --> 00:02:11.330 about disease. 00:02:11.350 --> 00:02:12.770 And about healing. 00:02:12.770 --> 00:02:13.511 What terrible consequences 00:02:13.511 --> 00:02:15.311 such thinking can 00:02:15.311 --> 00:02:16.310 have. 00:02:16.310 --> 00:02:17.810 Do we go to the chapel? 00:02:17.810 --> 00:02:19.310 We go to the chapel. 00:02:19.710 --> 00:02:22.710 No, even three of them. 00:02:22.990 --> 00:02:25.010 Come, let’s go differently. 00:02:28.710 --> 00:02:30.811 The woman, Natalie tells us, 00:02:30.811 --> 00:02:32.410 had cancer. 00:02:32.450 --> 00:02:35.751 It was 2021, Corona, and she didn’ 00:02:35.751 --> 00:02:37.630 t want to go to the hospital. 00:02:37.870 --> 00:02:39.511 That’s why Nathalie briefly 00:02:39.511 --> 00:02:41.071 cleaned her room in a 00:02:41.071 --> 00:02:41.771 WG she shared 00:02:41.771 --> 00:02:44.710 with other yogis for her. 00:02:44.730 --> 00:02:46.891 Nathalie was there all the time, cared for 00:02:46.891 --> 00:02:48.451 the woman, along with others 00:02:48.451 --> 00:02:50.190 from the yoga school, until 00:02:50.230 --> 00:02:51.730 her death. 00:02:51.770 --> 00:02:54.251 That was really angry 00:02:54.251 --> 00:02:56.491 so because they 00:02:56.491 --> 00:02:58.890 ended up holding 00:02:58.890 --> 00:03:01.431 super a lot of pain 00:03:01.431 --> 00:03:02.931 and really didn’ 00:03:02.931 --> 00:03:03.730 t. 00:03:03.730 --> 00:03:04.571 According to the motto, you don’ 00:03:04.571 --> 00:03:05.670 t need, you don’t need. 00:03:05.670 --> 00:03:07.330 That is what Nathalie remembers. 00:03:07.770 --> 00:03:09.311 Their feeling was that it 00:03:09.311 --> 00:03:11.710 had primarily spiritual reasons. 00:03:11.710 --> 00:03:13.191 Because of the school and because 00:03:13.191 --> 00:03:14.990 it is raised there, so according 00:03:14.990 --> 00:03:17.271 to the motto, so now go to the 00:03:17.271 --> 00:03:18.351 hospital right and since somehow 00:03:18.351 --> 00:03:20.411 get an irradiation 00:03:20.411 --> 00:03:21.671 and tralla to do so is not 00:03:21.671 --> 00:03:22.650 going to stop at all, is 00:03:22.650 --> 00:03:23.551 not at all somehow 00:03:23.551 --> 00:03:26.250 good for you and so on. 00:03:28.730 --> 00:03:30.251 What does Misa say about it? 00:03:30.251 --> 00:03:31.931 Is there a medical 00:03:31.931 --> 00:03:33.191 treatment for 00:03:33.191 --> 00:03:35.390 serious diseases? 00:03:36.070 --> 00:03:37.231 We get the answer in 00:03:37.231 --> 00:03:38.950 writing. 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:40.731 The board of the yoga school 00:03:40.731 --> 00:03:42.071 has never heard of such 00:03:42.071 --> 00:03:43.571 cases. 00:03:43.670 --> 00:03:45.131 Alternative healing methods such 00:03:45.131 --> 00:03:47.051 as yoga techniques and herbs 00:03:47.051 --> 00:03:48.271 should not replace treatment 00:03:48.271 --> 00:03:49.930 with a doctor. 00:03:50.530 --> 00:03:52.191 But they also write that many 00:03:52.191 --> 00:03:53.831 diseases can be cured even 00:03:53.831 --> 00:03:54.950 with herbs. 00:03:54.950 --> 00:03:56.930 This is scientifically proven. 00:03:57.030 --> 00:03:58.151 Yes, in part, the treatment 00:03:58.151 --> 00:03:59.791 with herbs is even superior 00:03:59.791 --> 00:04:02.330 to conventional medicine. 00:04:03.530 --> 00:04:04.871 This whole theme of health and 00:04:04.871 --> 00:04:06.351 healing, as Misa stands 00:04:06.351 --> 00:04:08.131 for, we want to learn more 00:04:08.131 --> 00:04:09.470 about it. 00:04:09.470 --> 00:04:11.790 That is your karma. 00:04:12.230 --> 00:04:14.091 And you have something inside 00:04:14.091 --> 00:04:16.010 you so emotional 00:04:16.010 --> 00:04:18.090 that you can’t let go. 00:04:18.910 --> 00:04:20.751 And that is why it is 00:04:20.751 --> 00:04:21.791 as it is now. You could 00:04:21.791 --> 00:04:22.871 have done it with 00:04:22.871 --> 00:04:24.810 the plants somehow. 00:04:24.950 --> 00:04:26.851 With enough yoga, 00:04:26.851 --> 00:04:28.870 you can save it. 00:04:29.090 --> 00:04:31.090 She believed it too, didn’t she? 00:04:31.090 --> 00:04:33.451 So that there is somehow something like that... 00:04:33.451 --> 00:04:35.330 Emotional was not right, 00:04:35.330 --> 00:04:36.551 and she just should have 00:04:36.551 --> 00:04:38.051 done more yoga. 00:04:38.970 --> 00:04:40.451 Natalie has never heard someone 00:04:40.451 --> 00:04:42.230 tell this woman, don’t let 00:04:42.230 --> 00:04:43.671 yourself be treated, don’t 00:04:43.671 --> 00:04:44.930 go to the hospital, 00:04:44.930 --> 00:04:46.630 do more yoga instead. 00:04:46.990 --> 00:04:48.511 This ill woman has voluntarily 00:04:48.511 --> 00:04:50.431 chosen this path. 00:04:50.431 --> 00:04:51.971 Like many other people 00:04:51.971 --> 00:04:53.191 outside the yoga movement, 00:04:53.191 --> 00:04:54.391 they reject cancer 00:04:54.391 --> 00:04:56.090 therapies. 00:04:56.770 --> 00:04:58.331 Apparently, however, some in the 00:04:58.331 --> 00:04:59.711 yoga movement think that 00:04:59.711 --> 00:05:02.170 the natural way is the better. 00:05:03.910 --> 00:05:05.771 Shortly before our cemetery 00:05:05.771 --> 00:05:08.031 tour we found numerous articles on 00:05:08.031 --> 00:05:09.471 the subject of health on 00:05:09.471 --> 00:05:11.010 Misa’s websites. 00:05:11.510 --> 00:05:14.011 One says that 75 percent 00:05:14.011 --> 00:05:15.891 of doctors reject chemotherapy 00:05:15.891 --> 00:05:17.330 for themselves. 00:05:17.330 --> 00:05:19.271 Right under this article 00:05:19.271 --> 00:05:21.450 is also a source, Natural News, 00:05:21.450 --> 00:05:23.191 a fake news website, 00:05:23.191 --> 00:05:25.571 right-wing and full of 00:05:25.571 --> 00:05:28.210 conspiracy theories. 00:05:28.790 --> 00:05:29.971 We found more articles 00:05:29.971 --> 00:05:32.010 on the mispages. 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:33.690 There were studies that were presented 00:05:33.690 --> 00:05:35.270 that allegedly show 00:05:35.410 --> 00:05:36.831 certain plants, fruits or 00:05:36.831 --> 00:05:38.691 herbs are natural remedies 00:05:38.691 --> 00:05:39.651 for cancer and some 00:05:39.651 --> 00:05:41.591 more effective than 00:05:41.591 --> 00:05:43.230 chemotherapies. 00:05:44.460 --> 00:05:46.221 We don’t know if the woman 00:05:46.221 --> 00:05:47.860 whose grave we are looking for 00:05:47.860 --> 00:05:49.261 has read all these articles 00:05:49.261 --> 00:05:51.320 on the MISA pages. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.321 Natalie tells us... 00:05:53.321 --> 00:05:55.120 Then she was in Bucharest 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:57.060 when it really got worse, and then 00:05:58.460 --> 00:06:00.281 she is there in such a 00:06:00.281 --> 00:06:03.760 detox clinic from our school. 00:06:03.760 --> 00:06:06.061 That was really the 00:06:06.061 --> 00:06:08.101 case with any crystals 00:06:08.101 --> 00:06:09.720 and whatever they did. 00:06:14.780 --> 00:06:17.181 The Detox Clinic is located 00:06:17.181 --> 00:06:19.440 just outside Bucharest. 00:06:19.440 --> 00:06:20.821 It has officially nothing 00:06:20.821 --> 00:06:22.200 to do with Misa, 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:23.421 but we find several 00:06:23.421 --> 00:06:24.881 clues to links with the 00:06:24.881 --> 00:06:26.300 yoga school. 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:27.221 And we talked to 00:06:27.221 --> 00:06:28.700 a healer who practiced 00:06:28.700 --> 00:06:30.760 there himself. 00:06:30.760 --> 00:06:32.261 He also says that there are people 00:06:32.261 --> 00:06:34.140 who come in and out of the house. 00:06:34.220 --> 00:06:36.261 Therapies, in large 00:06:36.261 --> 00:06:38.161 reference, include colour 00:06:38.161 --> 00:06:39.661 therapy, synchronization 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.041 of the large brain hemispheres, 00:06:42.041 --> 00:06:44.180 forgiveness therapy, 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.241 pulsed plasma and 00:06:47.241 --> 00:06:50.040 ozone baths. 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:52.501 In this detox clinic, the 00:06:52.501 --> 00:06:53.781 seriously ill woman can 00:06:53.781 --> 00:06:55.880 be treated, says Nathalie. 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:57.541 She then returns to 00:06:57.541 --> 00:06:59.560 Nathalie’s old room. 00:06:59.860 --> 00:07:01.841 I also knew she had 00:07:01.841 --> 00:07:02.641 written a letter 00:07:02.641 --> 00:07:04.400 to him. 00:07:04.640 --> 00:07:06.261 This letter also went to 00:07:06.261 --> 00:07:07.700 Gregoriam Bivoularou. 00:07:07.700 --> 00:07:09.580 She wanted to know about 00:07:09.580 --> 00:07:10.660 him, says Nathalie, 00:07:10.660 --> 00:07:11.941 if she can get conventional 00:07:11.941 --> 00:07:13.660 treatment. 00:07:13.660 --> 00:07:15.160 With an operation. 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:16.401 He simply did not 00:07:16.401 --> 00:07:18.240 answer it. 00:07:18.840 --> 00:07:20.160 And then she stopped, 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.680 so I can’t do it. 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.041 So, even with such 00:07:23.041 --> 00:07:25.481 life-threatening stories, 00:07:25.481 --> 00:07:27.081 I don’t trust myself 00:07:27.081 --> 00:07:28.581 enough to 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.440 make such a decision. 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:31.420 And then I wait for him 00:07:31.420 --> 00:07:33.040 to send me a response. 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.340 If he doesn’t send me anything, 00:07:34.340 --> 00:07:35.840 I’d rather die. 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:38.080 This is Nathalie’s memory. 00:07:38.500 --> 00:07:39.860 We cannot check this. 00:07:39.860 --> 00:07:40.901 We need to find the 00:07:40.901 --> 00:07:42.341 grave and talk to 00:07:42.341 --> 00:07:43.841 the family. 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.361 It is not as we know of cemeteries 00:07:46.361 --> 00:07:47.821 that there are paths and 00:07:47.821 --> 00:07:48.301 you look 00:07:48.301 --> 00:07:49.281 to the left and right 00:07:49.281 --> 00:07:50.781 for graves. 00:07:52.060 --> 00:07:54.860 The graves are tight. 00:07:54.860 --> 00:07:56.541 You have to get through 00:07:56.541 --> 00:07:58.820 the tombs like that. 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.940 So we only have to look for it. 00:08:01.940 --> 00:08:03.501 by name and by 00:08:03.501 --> 00:08:04.461 death. 00:08:04.461 --> 00:08:06.661 We walk and 00:08:06.661 --> 00:08:08.480 we walk. 00:08:09.640 --> 00:08:10.621 Sometimes everything becomes blurred 00:08:10.621 --> 00:08:12.121 in front of our eyes. 00:08:12.500 --> 00:08:15.341 We really spent three 00:08:15.341 --> 00:08:17.660 hours now, I think, looking 00:08:17.660 --> 00:08:19.400 for this tomb. 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.961 We burn our eyes, our 00:08:21.961 --> 00:08:23.461 legs hurt, 00:08:23.500 --> 00:08:25.320 we didn’t do it. 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:27.640 and frustrating. 00:08:27.640 --> 00:08:29.401 I really get a head shake now, 00:08:29.401 --> 00:08:31.821 I only see crosses and tombstones 00:08:31.821 --> 00:08:34.281 in front of me and numbers 00:08:34.281 --> 00:08:35.201 above all. 00:08:35.201 --> 00:08:37.201 And Maria and Elena and 00:08:37.201 --> 00:08:42.721 Ionescu and yes, so that was it. 00:08:42.721 --> 00:08:44.221 It is shameful. 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.860 We start another attempt. 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:54.001 We ask another outbound, 00:08:54.001 --> 00:08:56.080 read. 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:57.461 The woman we met on the 00:08:57.461 --> 00:08:59.260 ceiling in the park. 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:00.761 Read may have been 00:09:00.761 --> 00:09:02.441 at the same time as the 00:09:02.441 --> 00:09:03.861 deceased woman at the 00:09:03.861 --> 00:09:05.141 yoga school in Germany. 00:09:05.141 --> 00:09:06.641 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:08.600 and hi. 00:09:09.040 --> 00:09:11.000 Yes, I have met them. 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.520 It has gone through a lot and 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:16.021 has found a lot of standing 00:09:16.021 --> 00:09:18.840 in this community. 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:20.181 And it has given her a 00:09:20.181 --> 00:09:23.020 lot of stopping and hope to 00:09:23.780 --> 00:09:25.561 have this profession as 00:09:25.561 --> 00:09:28.320 a superperson and contact. 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:31.260 and trusted person. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:33.241 I think she wrote 00:09:33.241 --> 00:09:35.200 a lot to him. 00:09:35.280 --> 00:09:36.781 Over all possible, they 00:09:36.781 --> 00:09:39.360 also acted very intensely. 00:09:39.880 --> 00:09:41.860 That is read memory. 00:09:41.860 --> 00:09:43.341 It sounds almost the same 00:09:43.341 --> 00:09:45.740 as what Nathalie told us. 00:09:45.740 --> 00:09:47.041 By the end, when I 00:09:47.041 --> 00:09:49.320 was already on the way 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:50.860 out, I also learned that 00:09:50.860 --> 00:09:52.360 she was dead. 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.200 And it was also very much presented 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.280 that it was God’s will that 00:09:56.280 --> 00:09:58.100 it was the plan, that everything 00:09:58.100 --> 00:09:59.261 was already good and 00:09:59.261 --> 00:10:00.761 right as it is. 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.621 Or that their soul chose 00:10:02.621 --> 00:10:04.240 it, so two witnesses 00:10:12.040 --> 00:10:14.081 who independently 00:10:14.081 --> 00:10:15.261 confirmed the story 00:10:15.261 --> 00:10:16.741 with the deceased 00:10:16.741 --> 00:10:18.420 woman. 00:10:18.940 --> 00:10:19.921 We will start a few more 00:10:19.921 --> 00:10:21.821 attempts, but we will not find 00:10:21.821 --> 00:10:23.700 out more about the woman. 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:25.600 And many other things that 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.100 disturb us. 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:28.961 When we address reading on the 00:10:28.961 --> 00:10:30.501 subject of health, it becomes 00:10:30.501 --> 00:10:31.940 emotional. 00:10:31.940 --> 00:10:33.321 She has a chronic 00:10:33.321 --> 00:10:34.621 illness, which 00:10:34.621 --> 00:10:36.201 requires regular 00:10:36.201 --> 00:10:38.020 check-ups. 00:10:38.560 --> 00:10:40.201 In that the whole outside 00:10:40.201 --> 00:10:41.841 world was also portrayed as 00:10:41.841 --> 00:10:43.960 evil, this is important again. 00:10:44.660 --> 00:10:45.261 So really all the 00:10:45.261 --> 00:10:46.941 institutions, authorities and 00:10:46.941 --> 00:10:48.181 so on, everything outside 00:10:48.181 --> 00:10:50.260 was evil, was Satanic. 00:10:50.260 --> 00:10:51.241 I have not been to the 00:10:51.241 --> 00:10:53.340 doctor for a long time. 00:10:54.180 --> 00:10:55.561 Liz thought she could heal 00:10:55.561 --> 00:10:57.920 herself with yoga. 00:10:58.180 --> 00:10:59.561 But during her time at yoga school, 00:10:59.561 --> 00:11:01.181 she has been carried away with 00:11:01.181 --> 00:11:02.361 illnesses, she says. 00:11:02.361 --> 00:11:03.501 Because you are often 00:11:03.501 --> 00:11:05.860 told in this context that you 00:11:05.860 --> 00:11:09.561 should be attached to the upper and 00:11:09.561 --> 00:11:10.561 that the physical needs 00:11:10.561 --> 00:11:12.641 are really unimportant 00:11:12.641 --> 00:11:15.660 and that you must learn to 00:11:15.660 --> 00:11:17.261 control and suppress 00:11:17.261 --> 00:11:18.161 them because that is the 00:11:18.161 --> 00:11:19.980 lower instincts. 00:11:21.540 --> 00:11:22.841 So the body is very strongly 00:11:22.841 --> 00:11:25.581 demonized, the rule, for example, 00:11:25.581 --> 00:11:27.581 was also considered a 00:11:27.581 --> 00:11:29.040 total taboo. 00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:31.701 So the goal of yoga was 00:11:31.701 --> 00:11:33.160 with certain yoga asanas 00:11:33.160 --> 00:11:34.341 that you can best not get 00:11:34.341 --> 00:11:35.680 the rule offer at all, which 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:37.641 is also super sharp for 00:11:37.641 --> 00:11:39.141 a woman. 00:11:39.660 --> 00:11:40.841 Nathalie also told us 00:11:40.841 --> 00:11:42.161 that she learned at 00:11:42.161 --> 00:11:43.561 Wiluza how to suppress 00:11:43.561 --> 00:11:44.801 your period, allegedly 00:11:44.801 --> 00:11:46.080 because it is 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:47.920 taking energy. 00:11:48.020 --> 00:11:50.520 She rejected it as crazy stuff. 00:11:50.780 --> 00:11:52.421 Read it seriously. 00:11:52.421 --> 00:11:53.101 00:11:53.101 --> 00:11:54.801 I just came out of a 00:11:54.801 --> 00:11:55.841 context that I had started 00:11:55.841 --> 00:11:57.521 to love my body and find 00:11:57.521 --> 00:12:00.161 my peace with my periodic 00:12:00.161 --> 00:12:01.720 bleeding. 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:03.161 It was so rough that it turned 00:12:03.161 --> 00:12:04.820 out to be the opposite. 00:12:04.820 --> 00:12:05.721 And that really the bleeding 00:12:05.721 --> 00:12:07.841 is something negative and 00:12:07.841 --> 00:12:10.481 dirty and sinful and 00:12:10.481 --> 00:12:12.501 something desirable to have 00:12:12.501 --> 00:12:13.580 no more. 00:12:13.580 --> 00:12:15.941 To rationalize, to ward 00:12:15.941 --> 00:12:18.600 off, to juggle away. 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:23.261 She thought she didn’t need doctors 00:12:23.261 --> 00:12:24.640 anymore. 00:12:24.640 --> 00:12:25.901 She had her guru 00:12:25.901 --> 00:12:27.961 and he gave her 00:12:27.961 --> 00:12:29.840 instructions. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.380 It all happens in the Corona period. 00:12:33.380 --> 00:12:34.481 He is a member 00:12:34.481 --> 00:12:35.641 of the German Academy 00:12:35.641 --> 00:12:37.341 for Traditional 00:12:37.341 --> 00:12:38.841 Yoga. 00:12:38.980 --> 00:12:40.281 It is officially described 00:12:40.281 --> 00:12:42.121 as a place of short or long 00:12:42.121 --> 00:12:44.241 retreat from conventional life to 00:12:44.241 --> 00:12:47.180 deepening spiritual practice. 00:12:47.180 --> 00:12:49.021 Read still remembers what 00:12:49.021 --> 00:12:51.440 she should do to get in. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:52.401 Then write a letter 00:12:52.401 --> 00:12:54.360 to Greg personally. 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.041 One should specify all your 00:12:56.041 --> 00:12:58.480 dates somehow, your date of birth, 00:12:58.480 --> 00:12:59.641 what zodiac sign you are 00:12:59.641 --> 00:13:01.920 and how many hours you were born. 00:13:01.920 --> 00:13:02.781 They can then create 00:13:02.781 --> 00:13:04.861 a birth chart, astrological 00:13:04.861 --> 00:13:07.061 chart, and then have somehow 00:13:07.061 --> 00:13:08.081 super insight into you 00:13:08.081 --> 00:13:08.981 and where your 00:13:08.981 --> 00:13:11.341 nodes are and your 00:13:11.341 --> 00:13:12.841 planets. 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:17.061 Read this letter beginning with 00:13:17.061 --> 00:13:19.220 the words Dear G. 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:21.120 G for Grieg. 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:23.021 She writes what she is 00:13:23.021 --> 00:13:24.640 in the depths. 00:13:24.640 --> 00:13:26.720 Your concerns, your wishes. 00:13:27.160 --> 00:13:28.441 Her chronic illness does 00:13:28.441 --> 00:13:29.681 not mention her, but mental 00:13:29.681 --> 00:13:31.181 problems. 00:13:31.560 --> 00:13:33.061 She writes that she is grateful 00:13:33.061 --> 00:13:34.360 for all the healings, for 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:35.281 all the energies of the yoga 00:13:35.281 --> 00:13:38.200 teachers in the school and from him. 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:39.981 She is finally ready 00:13:39.981 --> 00:13:42.840 to get rid of her ego. 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.301 He thinks it’s a good 00:13:44.301 --> 00:13:46.021 idea to get into the ashram. 00:13:46.021 --> 00:13:47.481 And then I sent this 00:13:47.481 --> 00:13:48.741 letter and then you wait 00:13:48.741 --> 00:13:49.541 all the time like 00:13:49.541 --> 00:13:50.221 a little child 00:13:50.221 --> 00:13:51.720 for Santa. 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:52.461 Either you get a response 00:13:52.461 --> 00:13:54.920 from Grieg or not. 00:13:54.920 --> 00:13:56.461 Either you are chosen or 00:13:56.461 --> 00:13:57.421 not, because some have never 00:13:57.421 --> 00:13:59.140 really received a response. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:00.940 They were not accepted. 00:14:04.430 --> 00:14:06.410 Liz gets one. 00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:09.241 She is given to her 00:14:09.241 --> 00:14:10.680 at the yoga school. 00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:12.081 In a DIN-A 4 large brown 00:14:12.081 --> 00:14:14.081 envelope with two glittering 00:14:14.081 --> 00:14:16.500 heart stickers on it. 00:14:17.160 --> 00:14:18.901 In Romanian, it means treatment, 00:14:18.901 --> 00:14:21.800 in large letters. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.641 There is a letter in it, nine 00:14:23.641 --> 00:14:25.460 pages, written on the computer. 00:14:25.460 --> 00:14:27.920 He is not signed. 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:29.741 But Liz is sure he comes 00:14:29.741 --> 00:14:30.941 from Gregorian Bivoularo 00:14:30.941 --> 00:14:32.500 in his own right. 00:14:33.340 --> 00:14:35.421 That means, in order to 00:14:35.421 --> 00:14:38.200 overcome their ego, Liz should strive 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.941 to embrace various divine 00:14:39.941 --> 00:14:41.660 attributes. 00:14:41.680 --> 00:14:44.100 Love, courage or courage. 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:45.821 Then a cleaner 00:14:45.821 --> 00:14:47.560 is recommended. 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:50.740 Head standing for 10 minutes. 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:52.960 And it is written in English, 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.381 we also send you a treatment 00:14:54.381 --> 00:14:56.100 with medicinal plants that 00:14:56.100 --> 00:14:58.340 will help you immensely. 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:00.220 But that is secret. 00:15:00.220 --> 00:15:02.440 She must swear by the Bible. 00:15:03.040 --> 00:15:04.820 Read a recipe. 00:15:04.820 --> 00:15:06.021 What was so cute 00:15:06.021 --> 00:15:08.141 with so many covers. 00:15:08.141 --> 00:15:08.840 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:10.120 It was freaky too. 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:11.081 It talked to my inner 00:15:11.081 --> 00:15:12.581 child. 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:14.361 He felt completely out of 00:15:14.361 --> 00:15:16.760 the way and so on. Oh you love me! 00:15:16.760 --> 00:15:18.020 Sticker is! 00:15:18.020 --> 00:15:19.641 Over several pages, the 00:15:19.641 --> 00:15:21.121 names of herbs and 00:15:21.121 --> 00:15:23.920 plants are listed in a table. 00:15:23.920 --> 00:15:25.321 116 for psychomental 00:15:25.321 --> 00:15:27.980 balance. 00:15:28.220 --> 00:15:31.840 This reads from rosemary, mint, grenade. 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.021 Most of them, however, they do 00:15:33.021 --> 00:15:34.121 not understand, because the 00:15:34.121 --> 00:15:35.601 names are only in Latin 00:15:35.601 --> 00:15:37.741 and Romanian. As well as the 00:15:37.741 --> 00:15:39.101 dosage and indication of 00:15:39.101 --> 00:15:40.600 contraindications. 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.581 Fortunately, there is 00:15:42.581 --> 00:15:44.741 a question-answer catalog in 00:15:44.741 --> 00:15:46.900 somewhat hollow English. 00:15:48.540 --> 00:15:51.060 Read translates it for itself. 00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:52.161 How long does the treatment 00:15:52.161 --> 00:15:54.101 usually take unless otherwise 00:15:54.101 --> 00:15:56.120 indicated? 00:15:56.380 --> 00:15:57.721 Treatment must be carried out 00:15:57.721 --> 00:16:00.020 over a period of seven years. 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:01.361 This is true for severe 00:16:01.361 --> 00:16:03.181 illnesses, in other cases three 00:16:03.181 --> 00:16:04.681 years. 00:16:05.660 --> 00:16:07.201 Do you break your oath if 00:16:07.201 --> 00:16:08.761 you forget to take the plants 00:16:08.761 --> 00:16:10.660 four times a day? 00:16:10.660 --> 00:16:12.341 Not if you do not 00:16:12.341 --> 00:16:14.580 do it intentionally. 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:17.281 Where do you get all 00:16:17.281 --> 00:16:19.020 the herbs now? 00:16:19.160 --> 00:16:20.680 Will she collect them all? 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:21.941 Continue reading in 00:16:21.941 --> 00:16:23.960 the Question-answer catalog. 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:25.460 There is a name. 00:16:25.780 --> 00:16:27.261 Do you break your oath by 00:16:27.261 --> 00:16:28.401 showing the plant list, 00:16:28.401 --> 00:16:29.761 for example, at Stauer 00:16:29.761 --> 00:16:31.280 Divina? 00:16:31.280 --> 00:16:33.520 They take the plant list. 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.181 You go there and ask for 00:16:35.181 --> 00:16:36.580 these plants without 00:16:36.580 --> 00:16:37.821 telling anyone what 00:16:37.821 --> 00:16:40.820 you are buying. Stay of Divine. 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:43.661 The name of this 00:16:43.661 --> 00:16:46.280 company has already been mentioned. 00:16:46.280 --> 00:16:49.820 With Jasper. With Natalis Jasper. 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:51.221 He also received a 00:16:51.221 --> 00:16:52.981 list of herbs and ordered 00:16:52.981 --> 00:16:54.361 the plant preparations 00:16:54.361 --> 00:16:56.120 from Stauer Divina. 00:16:56.760 --> 00:16:58.120 Super widespread in school. 00:16:58.120 --> 00:16:59.620 You stand there, take something. 00:16:59.740 --> 00:17:01.181 And you actually get it always 00:17:01.181 --> 00:17:03.021 when you have any health 00:17:03.021 --> 00:17:08.641 problem where you have another 00:17:08.641 --> 00:17:10.141 problem. 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.340 And super expensive, of course. 00:17:13.580 --> 00:17:14.241 This is a Romanian 00:17:14.241 --> 00:17:15.741 company. 00:17:15.780 --> 00:17:17.261 And in this company, yoga 00:17:17.261 --> 00:17:20.540 students from Misa work. 00:17:20.540 --> 00:17:25.261 for their karma. We were 00:17:25.261 --> 00:17:27.340 in Stauerdivina. 00:17:27.340 --> 00:17:28.940 Almost by chance. 00:17:28.940 --> 00:17:30.401 In Bucharest, at the sloping lecture 00:17:30.401 --> 00:17:32.620 with the aura measurement. 00:17:32.660 --> 00:17:33.621 To get into the 00:17:33.621 --> 00:17:35.001 yoga seat, we had to 00:17:35.001 --> 00:17:36.821 go through another room first. 00:17:36.821 --> 00:17:38.661 It smelled like a reform 00:17:38.661 --> 00:17:41.001 house and there were herbage 00:17:41.001 --> 00:17:42.600 dusts everywhere. 00:17:43.300 --> 00:17:44.741 We go through the lists of 00:17:44.741 --> 00:17:46.061 Liz and Jasper with 00:17:46.061 --> 00:17:48.080 our translator Anka. 00:17:48.520 --> 00:17:50.860 This is Tanne. 00:17:52.670 --> 00:17:54.411 Quattasciori, Cellului, that is 00:17:54.411 --> 00:17:56.550 the sheep’s neck. 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:59.550 The air part, what is the air part? 00:17:59.550 --> 00:18:02.450 and Paterian. Maybe the salmon. 00:18:02.450 --> 00:18:04.390 What is in the column? 00:18:04.870 --> 00:18:07.450 How much you should take, 00:18:08.330 --> 00:18:11.131 and here are the contraindications, 00:18:11.131 --> 00:18:12.690 side effects, 00:18:13.870 --> 00:18:17.170 and when not to take it. 00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:18.131 For example, 00:18:18.131 --> 00:18:21.391 the first one they say you have to 00:18:21.391 --> 00:18:23.691 be careful when you are sensitive, 00:18:23.691 --> 00:18:26.551 because it can cause irritating 00:18:26.551 --> 00:18:28.571 reactions, such 00:18:28.571 --> 00:18:31.810 as the heart. 00:18:31.810 --> 00:18:35.110 Bleeding, epistaxis and hemorrhoids. 00:18:37.010 --> 00:18:38.211 You should not take more 00:18:38.211 --> 00:18:41.350 than 4 g per day. 00:18:41.390 --> 00:18:43.031 Anka is looking at a large 00:18:43.031 --> 00:18:44.690 Romanian online store to 00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:46.870 see if the products are there. 00:18:48.500 --> 00:18:50.000 of course. 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:52.741 And here you see, Staua 00:18:52.741 --> 00:18:56.680 Divina, 133, you say. 00:18:57.040 --> 00:19:00.541 Schilajit, 60 capsules, 58 leather 00:19:00.541 --> 00:19:04.000 are, a little more than 10 euros. 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:06.401 If you have to take this 00:19:06.401 --> 00:19:07.941 for 7 years of course and a 00:19:07.941 --> 00:19:09.381 whole series of them. 00:19:09.381 --> 00:19:11.301 She has a list of 116 products, 00:19:11.301 --> 00:19:13.201 but the other had 00:19:13.201 --> 00:19:14.980 over 300. 00:19:16.280 --> 00:19:18.800 363 different plant preparations. 00:19:18.800 --> 00:19:20.241 I think you can really 00:19:20.241 --> 00:19:23.160 make a lot of money with it. 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:25.121 The company treats its 00:19:25.121 --> 00:19:27.400 customers in this way. 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.580 What a business model. 00:19:29.580 --> 00:19:31.261 People go to yoga, and 00:19:31.261 --> 00:19:33.561 then you get the customers 00:19:33.561 --> 00:19:35.160 for herbs. 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.421 We will continue to discuss 00:19:42.421 --> 00:19:44.201 this with MISA officials 00:19:44.201 --> 00:19:45.780 in Bucharest. 00:19:45.780 --> 00:19:47.741 We’ve been undercover so 00:19:47.741 --> 00:19:49.121 far, but that will soon 00:19:49.121 --> 00:19:50.240 change. 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:50.741 We will go to 00:19:50.741 --> 00:19:53.780 the MISA Information Center. 00:19:53.980 --> 00:19:56.780 After we went through the accusations 00:19:57.120 --> 00:19:58.701 again in the hotel 00:19:58.701 --> 00:20:00.660 room today, I must 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:02.101 honestly say that somehow 00:20:02.101 --> 00:20:02.601 such an inner 00:20:02.601 --> 00:20:04.241 anger has just fully arisen 00:20:04.241 --> 00:20:06.600 in me. 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.460 I am going with a wide chest. 00:20:09.620 --> 00:20:10.701 Now let’s drop the 00:20:10.701 --> 00:20:12.201 mask. 00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:13.960 Absolutely. 00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:18.061 The Mieser Info Centre is hidden in a 00:20:18.061 --> 00:20:20.660 residential block without a bellboard. 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:22.381 As we entered, a woman came 00:20:22.381 --> 00:20:25.140 to us, the secretary. 00:20:25.280 --> 00:20:26.441 We tell her that we 00:20:26.441 --> 00:20:27.701 are journalists and want 00:20:27.701 --> 00:20:29.640 to inform us about Mieser. 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:31.140 She says we should wait. 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:32.181 You have to clarify this with 00:20:32.181 --> 00:20:34.180 your press secretary. 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:36.360 We have them on the phone. 00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:38.060 I said again, is it 00:20:38.060 --> 00:20:39.101 not an official 00:20:39.101 --> 00:20:40.440 information center? 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:41.441 He said no, not to 00:20:41.441 --> 00:20:42.840 journalists. 00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:44.101 It is not open 00:20:44.101 --> 00:20:45.860 to journalists. 00:20:45.860 --> 00:20:47.761 It is a private place and journalists 00:20:47.761 --> 00:20:48.601 are not allowed to 00:20:48.601 --> 00:20:49.981 clean because we have bad 00:20:49.981 --> 00:20:51.720 experiences with them. 00:20:54.140 --> 00:20:56.001 We are asked to leave 00:20:56.001 --> 00:20:57.641 the info center and 00:20:57.641 --> 00:20:59.641 to send an official email 00:20:59.641 --> 00:21:01.620 with questions. 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.841 My favorite moment of this 00:21:03.841 --> 00:21:07.140 whole visit was that 00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:09.081 we asked for the name 00:21:09.081 --> 00:21:11.000 of the press spokeswoman. 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:12.561 She wrote it handwritten 00:21:12.561 --> 00:21:13.740 on a note. 00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:15.061 The secretary called 00:21:15.061 --> 00:21:16.340 the press secretary. 00:21:16.340 --> 00:21:18.100 The press secretary said my 00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:19.500 name would not be revealed. 00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:20.321 Then she teared the note 00:21:20.321 --> 00:21:21.681 from my hand and crushed 00:21:21.681 --> 00:21:24.280 it and threw it away. 00:21:24.280 --> 00:21:25.981 So I have never experienced anything 00:21:25.981 --> 00:21:26.861 like a press spokeswoman 00:21:26.861 --> 00:21:28.801 not wanting to name her 00:21:28.801 --> 00:21:29.541 name in front 00:21:29.541 --> 00:21:31.620 of journalists. 00:21:32.540 --> 00:21:34.101 The press secretary 00:21:34.101 --> 00:21:35.001 then revealed her 00:21:35.001 --> 00:21:36.540 name. 00:21:36.540 --> 00:21:38.140 by Cosmina Oprah. 00:21:38.360 --> 00:21:39.601 She says the poor board 00:21:39.601 --> 00:21:41.161 must agree to an interview 00:21:41.161 --> 00:21:42.600 with us. 00:21:42.600 --> 00:21:43.821 We don’t have much hope 00:21:43.821 --> 00:21:45.341 at first, but then we actually 00:21:45.341 --> 00:21:46.761 get an interview with her 00:21:46.761 --> 00:21:48.680 via video. 00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:50.541 It has only one prerequisite. 00:21:50.541 --> 00:21:52.121 She wants us not to 00:21:52.121 --> 00:21:54.780 translate her answers. 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.961 Our question catalogue, our 00:21:56.961 --> 00:21:58.741 accusations of women descending 00:21:58.741 --> 00:22:00.040 to Mass are so long 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:01.261 that we fear not to get rid 00:22:01.261 --> 00:22:02.700 of them all. 00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:04.021 But it takes a lot of time 00:22:04.021 --> 00:22:06.240 for us, three hours. 00:22:06.620 --> 00:22:08.081 In the end, she will say that 00:22:08.081 --> 00:22:09.401 she has never given such 00:22:09.401 --> 00:22:10.460 a long interview before 00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:12.201 and there will be 00:22:12.201 --> 00:22:13.821 some surprising answers 00:22:13.821 --> 00:22:15.321 for us. 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.000 Okay, so if you’re ready, let’s start. 00:22:19.800 --> 00:22:21.621 We ask of course for the 00:22:21.621 --> 00:22:23.800 herbs of Staua Divina. 00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:51.141 A private business that 00:22:51.141 --> 00:22:53.260 has nothing to do with Misa 00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:54.681 except that it was founded 00:22:54.681 --> 00:22:57.100 by former and current students. 00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:57.800 The Lucky 00:22:57.800 --> 00:22:59.381 Love Club was 00:22:59.381 --> 00:23:00.840 similar. 00:23:00.840 --> 00:23:03.060 Private affairs of students and teachers. 00:23:03.320 --> 00:23:04.981 As a company, Misa is not 00:23:04.981 --> 00:23:06.620 allowed to do business. 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:08.541 We also ask how the yoga 00:23:08.541 --> 00:23:11.020 school stands for healing with yoga. 00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:39.221 So, improving vision through 00:23:39.221 --> 00:23:40.661 yoga is supposed to go 00:23:40.661 --> 00:23:42.801 well, but all these exercises 00:23:42.801 --> 00:23:43.721 would not be referred 00:23:43.721 --> 00:23:45.721 to as treatments or healings. 00:23:45.721 --> 00:23:47.541 This is just in addition 00:23:47.541 --> 00:23:49.680 to what doctors recommend. 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:50.441 We must think of 00:23:50.441 --> 00:23:52.341 the herb letters and of Gregoriam 00:23:52.341 --> 00:23:54.340 Bivolaru. 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:10.681 He no longer taught at 00:24:10.681 --> 00:24:11.960 school. 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:13.381 It seems like his role 00:24:13.381 --> 00:24:14.800 is quite small. 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:16.521 We experienced this differently 00:24:16.521 --> 00:24:17.961 at our Schnupper lecture in Bucharest, 00:24:17.961 --> 00:24:19.961 where he moved the compass 00:24:19.961 --> 00:24:22.160 needle in the video. 00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:35.381 He has written books and delivered 00:24:35.381 --> 00:24:38.420 lectures at Misa-Camps. 00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:39.960 and? 00:24:46.710 --> 00:24:48.251 This is also the case at the 00:24:48.251 --> 00:24:51.150 German Academy of Traditional Yoga. 00:24:51.190 --> 00:24:52.671 He is a spiritual teacher, 00:24:52.671 --> 00:24:54.511 for some participants, it is 00:24:54.511 --> 00:24:56.030 stated on the website. 00:24:56.030 --> 00:24:58.090 But no more. Not a Guru. 00:24:58.550 --> 00:25:00.411 We ask Kosmina Oprah if yoga 00:25:00.411 --> 00:25:02.191 teachers at Misa are in contact 00:25:02.191 --> 00:25:03.850 with Bivou Laro, whether 00:25:03.870 --> 00:25:05.211 they are forwarding letters 00:25:05.211 --> 00:25:07.051 from students to him, as 00:25:07.051 --> 00:25:08.551 we were told. 00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:18.171 So you would say he didn’ 00:25:18.171 --> 00:25:20.811 t communicate directly with 00:25:20.811 --> 00:25:21.130 the yogis? 00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:22.771 No, no, I say that, 00:25:22.771 --> 00:25:24.231 I don’t know, there 00:25:24.231 --> 00:25:25.351 may be cases I didn’ 00:25:25.351 --> 00:25:26.970 t recognize. 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:28.591 And I also say that not all 00:25:28.591 --> 00:25:30.491 people say they should take 00:25:30.491 --> 00:25:31.991 it that way. 00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:33.530 You should not believe everything 00:25:33.530 --> 00:25:35.370 that is told. 00:25:35.650 --> 00:25:37.510 You could ask him questions. 00:25:37.570 --> 00:25:38.551 For example, they had mental 00:25:38.551 --> 00:25:39.871 health problems or 00:25:39.871 --> 00:25:41.290 health problems. 00:25:41.290 --> 00:25:43.251 And you answered him. 00:25:43.251 --> 00:25:45.230 Let me tell you something, 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:47.450 you said mental health problem. 00:25:47.450 --> 00:25:49.510 Everyone was accepted in our school. 00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:52.451 The only requirement, the only 00:25:52.451 --> 00:25:53.751 special condition, so to 00:25:53.751 --> 00:25:56.291 speak, is not to have mental 00:25:56.291 --> 00:25:57.530 health problems. 00:25:57.530 --> 00:25:59.111 So I have serious doubts that people 00:25:59.111 --> 00:26:00.910 with mental problems, mental 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:02.591 health problems, would be in 00:26:02.591 --> 00:26:03.671 the school and then ask 00:26:03.671 --> 00:26:05.451 for advice, I mean he is not 00:26:05.451 --> 00:26:08.850 a doctor, psychiatrist. 00:26:09.070 --> 00:26:11.430 For this for sure didn’t happen. 00:26:12.330 --> 00:26:14.311 She is sure that no 00:26:14.311 --> 00:26:15.811 one has written Bivularo 00:26:15.811 --> 00:26:18.850 for mental problems. 00:26:19.030 --> 00:26:20.911 Those who have it are not 00:26:20.911 --> 00:26:22.131 allowed to go to 00:26:22.131 --> 00:26:23.690 yoga school. 00:26:24.810 --> 00:26:27.110 Conditions of participation. 00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:28.531 We also ask for the bikini 00:26:28.531 --> 00:26:31.450 photos for the camps. 00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:34.251 I’ve spoken online that joggers 00:26:34.251 --> 00:26:37.911 in a bikini or swimsuit 00:26:37.911 --> 00:26:38.651 need to send 00:26:38.651 --> 00:26:40.110 photos to participate. 00:26:40.110 --> 00:26:41.610 Why is? 00:26:49.270 --> 00:26:50.571 It is in a 00:26:50.571 --> 00:26:51.390 bikini. 00:26:51.390 --> 00:26:52.731 We’re not talking about 00:26:52.731 --> 00:26:54.231 pornographic photos or 00:26:54.231 --> 00:26:54.711 other things I’ 00:26:54.711 --> 00:26:56.430 ve talked about in the press. 00:26:56.430 --> 00:26:59.011 Because when you look at the 00:26:59.011 --> 00:27:00.511 person’s body, bikini 00:27:18.750 --> 00:27:21.930 photos as a health check? 00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:23.390 Oh so is it. 00:27:23.390 --> 00:27:24.451 So many women have 00:27:24.451 --> 00:27:25.911 told them that Bivou 00:27:25.911 --> 00:27:27.831 Laro could read their aura 00:27:27.831 --> 00:27:31.950 from the photos. 00:27:43.410 --> 00:27:45.251 So she says, maybe it’ 00:27:45.251 --> 00:27:47.371 s been said to some, but no, that’ 00:27:47.371 --> 00:27:49.350 s her message. 00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:03.631 As long as Vivu Laro is 00:28:03.631 --> 00:28:05.151 not at the camps, she’ 00:28:05.151 --> 00:28:06.351 t know how to get 00:28:06.351 --> 00:28:07.851 the photos. 00:28:07.930 --> 00:28:09.291 And whoever has a problem with 00:28:09.291 --> 00:28:10.891 the photos, he doesn’t have to 00:28:10.891 --> 00:28:12.870 come to the camp, she says. 00:28:19.430 --> 00:28:21.171 The same applies to 00:28:21.171 --> 00:28:24.430 HIV and syphilis tests. 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:26.530 Cosmina Oprah confirms that these 00:28:26.530 --> 00:28:27.191 are also the 00:28:27.191 --> 00:28:28.751 conditions for participation in 00:28:28.751 --> 00:28:29.990 the camps. 00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:32.730 Misa wants to secure itself legally. 00:28:33.820 --> 00:28:36.021 We come to Velouza, the 00:28:36.021 --> 00:28:37.541 house that Nathalie told 00:28:37.541 --> 00:28:38.681 us was a kind of 00:28:38.681 --> 00:28:40.940 sex training camp. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.980 The house rules. 00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:44.660 The naked photos. 00:28:55.260 --> 00:28:56.801 Why should it happen 00:28:56.801 --> 00:28:58.141 there if it doesn’t happen 00:28:58.141 --> 00:28:59.641 elsewhere? 00:28:59.780 --> 00:29:01.821 Maybe because the Wiluza 00:29:01.821 --> 00:29:03.121 is surrounded by a look dense 00:29:03.121 --> 00:29:04.621 fence. 00:29:05.490 --> 00:29:06.871 The messy press spokeswoman 00:29:06.871 --> 00:29:08.251 can obviously only give information 00:29:08.251 --> 00:29:09.891 about things she has experienced 00:29:09.891 --> 00:29:11.170 herself. 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:13.091 We hope she was at least 00:29:13.091 --> 00:29:15.550 at the Miss Shakti contest. 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:18.030 Was there pornography? 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.760 They are against pornography, 00:29:46.760 --> 00:29:48.720 but there are erotic films 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:49.941 made by some Tantra 00:29:49.941 --> 00:29:52.340 teachers and their students. 00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:54.160 But that is something separate, 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.000 regardless of the Shakti competition. 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:57.941 There, in what she found 00:29:57.941 --> 00:29:59.701 out, there were no shootings 00:29:59.701 --> 00:30:01.980 for erotic films. 00:30:02.520 --> 00:30:04.820 The next is karma yoga. 00:30:29.600 --> 00:30:31.401 And again, if a yoga 00:30:31.401 --> 00:30:33.221 student works as a camgirl, 00:30:33.221 --> 00:30:34.661 then it is a pure personal 00:30:34.661 --> 00:30:36.280 matter. 00:30:36.280 --> 00:30:38.640 The school has nothing to do with it. 00:30:43.630 --> 00:30:45.671 We are slowly wondering 00:30:45.671 --> 00:30:48.110 what Misa has to do with. 00:30:48.610 --> 00:30:49.871 Of course, we also asked Cosmina 00:30:49.871 --> 00:30:51.391 Opera about the allegations 00:30:51.391 --> 00:30:53.310 of human trafficking, about 00:30:53.330 --> 00:30:55.051 the initiation at Bivolaru in 00:30:55.051 --> 00:30:57.570 Paris, about his arrest. 00:30:57.630 --> 00:30:58.831 We will tell you about this 00:30:58.831 --> 00:31:00.490 in the next episode. 00:31:00.490 --> 00:31:02.410 We make a break here. 00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:05.851 The cemetery. The yoga student who 00:31:05.851 --> 00:31:07.370 died of cancer. 00:31:07.370 --> 00:31:09.371 We still want to know how 00:31:09.371 --> 00:31:10.891 mere Gregoriam Bivolaru’ 00:31:10.891 --> 00:31:12.691 s abilities in illness are 00:31:12.691 --> 00:31:14.191 assessed. 00:31:14.630 --> 00:31:15.831 We also read about very 00:31:15.831 --> 00:31:18.330 special meditation events. 00:31:18.330 --> 00:31:19.531 They may supposedly 00:31:19.531 --> 00:31:21.531 enable miraculous healings and 00:31:21.531 --> 00:31:23.531 give divine grace to all who 00:31:23.531 --> 00:31:25.311 fall out of the Father together 00:31:25.311 --> 00:31:27.710 with his archangels. 00:31:38.730 --> 00:31:41.031 We never heard him 00:31:41.031 --> 00:31:43.510 say he is a healer. 00:31:43.650 --> 00:31:45.071 But some supporters seem 00:31:45.071 --> 00:31:46.190 to think so. 00:31:46.190 --> 00:31:47.991 And they post it on the 00:31:47.991 --> 00:31:49.830 Misa websites. 00:31:50.250 --> 00:31:51.931 Miraculous healing, my 00:31:51.931 --> 00:31:53.551 spiritual guide removed a 00:31:53.551 --> 00:31:56.210 huge tumor, stands there. 00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:57.751 And that Bivularo has freed someone 00:31:57.751 --> 00:31:59.770 from belt rose. 00:32:04.650 --> 00:32:06.690 But read felt so. 00:32:06.830 --> 00:32:09.150 When Liz receives this 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:10.731 letter, with a list of 00:32:10.731 --> 00:32:12.731 over 100 herbs to take 00:32:12.731 --> 00:32:14.391 for 7 years, she is pretty 00:32:14.391 --> 00:32:17.330 quick, pretty helpless. 00:32:17.330 --> 00:32:18.271 They have their 00:32:18.271 --> 00:32:19.771 own herbs. 00:32:20.570 --> 00:32:21.771 Somewhere in Romania, I think, 00:32:21.771 --> 00:32:23.591 they have somehow had a 00:32:23.591 --> 00:32:24.831 school or they have 00:32:24.831 --> 00:32:26.431 built something that 00:32:26.431 --> 00:32:27.990 they can grow. 00:32:27.990 --> 00:32:28.691 And then you can 00:32:28.691 --> 00:32:29.911 contact and call and 00:32:29.911 --> 00:32:31.650 buy it for a lot of money. 00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:32.571 It was all about money 00:32:32.571 --> 00:32:33.631 and I had no money, 00:32:33.631 --> 00:32:34.450 as always. 00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:36.930 What should she do now? 00:32:37.530 --> 00:32:40.550 Here the herb letter helps too. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.660 If you don’t have enough money 00:32:43.660 --> 00:32:44.801 to buy all the plants 00:32:44.801 --> 00:32:46.821 in the treatment plan, or if 00:32:46.821 --> 00:32:48.061 you don’t have money to 00:32:48.061 --> 00:32:49.640 continue treatment from 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:51.580 a certain point on, then 00:32:51.580 --> 00:32:53.560 you break the oath? 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:56.741 This shows their lack 00:32:56.741 --> 00:32:57.561 of determination 00:32:57.561 --> 00:32:59.240 and determination. 00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:00.601 Then you break 00:33:00.601 --> 00:33:02.120 your oath. 00:33:04.120 --> 00:33:05.921 Reading is ready. And she 00:33:05.921 --> 00:33:07.060 is determined. 00:33:07.060 --> 00:33:08.860 I was super stressed 00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:11.561 that I need to buy 00:33:11.561 --> 00:33:12.541 these herbs now so 00:33:12.541 --> 00:33:13.201 I won’t get thrown 00:33:13.201 --> 00:33:14.500 out. 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:15.361 So it was like being on 00:33:15.361 --> 00:33:17.881 drugs, constantly watching 00:33:17.881 --> 00:33:19.101 the videos, constantly doing 00:33:19.101 --> 00:33:20.320 all kinds of meditations, 00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:20.721 so right so you- 00:33:20.721 --> 00:33:22.821 du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du and constantly 00:33:22.821 --> 00:33:23.681 in that fear of doing something 00:33:23.681 --> 00:33:24.421 wrong, any divine trials, 00:33:24.421 --> 00:33:25.561 so every day was like 00:33:25.561 --> 00:33:26.421 a divine test and yes, 00:33:26.421 --> 00:33:29.261 it was super stressful 00:33:29.261 --> 00:33:30.260 for me because I never 00:33:30.260 --> 00:33:32.260 had money, not even to 00:33:32.260 --> 00:33:33.601 eat and I also have a 00:33:33.601 --> 00:33:35.200 lot of that too so 00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:37.181 on this existential 00:33:37.181 --> 00:33:38.561 level I was also a 00:33:38.561 --> 00:33:40.540 bit dependent on those. 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:42.021 And that’s why it was somehow 00:33:42.021 --> 00:33:42.881 double burdening that I had 00:33:42.881 --> 00:33:43.981 to push up somehow 00:33:43.981 --> 00:33:44.861 for some kind of herbal 00:33:44.861 --> 00:33:46.680 money. 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:48.461 That is proof of my 00:33:48.461 --> 00:33:49.741 loyalty to this 00:33:49.741 --> 00:33:51.300 group. 00:33:51.300 --> 00:33:52.241 Because it was also the case, 00:33:52.241 --> 00:33:56.000 if you didn’t spend the money, 00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:57.221 it means you didn’t 00:33:57.221 --> 00:33:58.200 really want it. 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:58.781 And that you didn’ 00:33:58.781 --> 00:34:00.140 t really try. 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:01.700 So depreciating again. 00:34:01.700 --> 00:34:03.200 You are to blame. 00:34:06.620 --> 00:34:08.941 But as much as Liz gives 00:34:08.941 --> 00:34:10.841 up on everything else, as 00:34:10.841 --> 00:34:12.061 much as she tries to scratch 00:34:12.061 --> 00:34:12.741 that money together, 00:34:12.741 --> 00:34:14.601 she just doesn’t manage 00:34:14.601 --> 00:34:15.780 to. 00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:17.101 And she feels terrible because 00:34:17.101 --> 00:34:19.320 of this, inferior, failed 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:20.241 on her path to enlightenment. 00:34:20.241 --> 00:34:22.040 00:34:23.410 --> 00:34:24.771 So, he takes a radical 00:34:24.771 --> 00:34:26.350 step. 00:34:36.340 --> 00:34:39.281 That was the seventh episode 00:34:39.281 --> 00:34:41.600 of Soulfanger, Toxic 00:34:41.600 --> 00:34:42.980 Tantra. 00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:45.241 You can find all the results in 00:34:45.241 --> 00:34:47.400 the ARD audiothek. 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:47.901 If you 00:34:47.901 --> 00:34:49.601 like Soulfighter, then 00:34:49.601 --> 00:34:50.961 go subscribe, write a 00:34:50.961 --> 00:34:52.461 comment and give us a 00:34:52.461 --> 00:34:54.461 few stars. This helps others 00:34:54.461 --> 00:34:56.740 find this podcast. 00:34:57.140 --> 00:34:58.281 If you want to leave 00:34:58.281 --> 00:35:00.021 a sect yourself or 00:35:00.021 --> 00:35:01.840 help others, we have 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.061 a list of counseling 00:35:03.061 --> 00:35:04.141 and help offers 00:35:04.141 --> 00:35:05.960 for you. 00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:07.241 We put the link in the 00:35:07.241 --> 00:35:08.540 show notes. 00:35:08.540 --> 00:35:09.041 There you will 00:35:09.041 --> 00:35:10.441 also find further information 00:35:10.441 --> 00:35:11.941 about this. 00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.521 Toxic Tantra is a podcast 00:35:14.521 --> 00:35:15.141 by me Katja 00:35:15.141 --> 00:35:17.001 Peisen-Petersen and Christiane 00:35:17.001 --> 00:35:18.840 Havranek. 00:35:19.600 --> 00:35:21.700 Thanks to Verena Nierle. 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.040 Graphic design of Anna Hunger. 00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:27.161 Sound design by Christoph Brandner. Sound 00:35:27.161 --> 00:35:29.140 and technique Robin Ault. 00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:31.420 Directed by Ron Schickler. 00:35:31.420 --> 00:35:32.861 The author is Johannes 00:35:32.861 --> 00:35:34.660 Badaro-Willmann. 00:35:34.660 --> 00:35:36.960 The editorial? Pia Dangelmayer, 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.960 Till Ottlitz and Sabine Winter. 00:35:39.620 --> 00:35:40.821 Toxic Tantra is a production 00:35:40.821 --> 00:35:42.141 of the editorial religion 00:35:42.141 --> 00:35:44.100 and orientation. 00:35:44.200 --> 00:35:45.841 The investigative team BR 00:35:45.841 --> 00:35:47.521 Recherche and the BR 00:35:47.521 --> 00:35:49.061 Story team for the Bavarian broadcaster 00:35:49.061 --> 00:35:51.560 2024. 00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:56.450 You probably know that too. 00:35:56.450 --> 00:35:57.651 You just wanted to watch 00:35:57.651 --> 00:35:59.011 a video for a while and 00:35:59.011 --> 00:36:01.170 suddenly it’s half 2 p.m. 00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:02.171 You follow the latest 00:36:02.171 --> 00:36:04.011 TikTok speculations and sink 00:36:04.011 --> 00:36:05.271 completely into the endless 00:36:05.271 --> 00:36:07.370 depths of the Internet. 00:36:07.530 --> 00:36:09.531 Miguel Rubicki and Karolin Worps 00:36:09.531 --> 00:36:11.570 are always doing this. 00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:13.591 As comedy writers for the ZDF 00:36:13.591 --> 00:36:15.391 magazine Royal and also privately, 00:36:15.391 --> 00:36:17.211 the two overload their browsers 00:36:17.211 --> 00:36:18.551 daily with thousands 00:36:18.551 --> 00:36:20.471 of tabs, always looking 00:36:20.471 --> 00:36:22.570 for new internet gold. 00:36:22.570 --> 00:36:23.751 And because the two are 00:36:23.751 --> 00:36:25.011 so slowly losing sight before 00:36:25.011 --> 00:36:26.751 tabs, but are constantly encountering 00:36:26.751 --> 00:36:28.211 such funny and curious things, 00:36:28.211 --> 00:36:29.971 Miguel and Caro come together 00:36:29.971 --> 00:36:31.611 before the microphone 00:36:31.611 --> 00:36:33.151 every week to talk about 00:36:33.151 --> 00:36:33.810 it. 00:36:33.810 --> 00:36:36.091 The podcast is called Too Many 00:36:36.091 --> 00:36:38.471 Tabs and you can find it in 00:36:38.471 --> 00:36:40.210 the audio library and where 00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:42.230 there are other podcasts.