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A city somewhere in
Germany, 2022.
Reading is over.
I failed and I
gave up.
I felt battled
about it and
felt I did everything
in my power and
I fell on the
frets.
Read has not gathered
the money for the herbs.
She still has the words from
the herb letter in her head.
Whoever cannot afford the
herbs, let him
show lack of will, let him
break the holy oath.
I would know this as such
a kind of test,
such a ultimate test.
You get the gold ticket, you
get the gold invitation.
Now please go very consciously
and very carefully with
this introduction.
Read is sure that she
must dedicate herself even
more to life in yoga school.
It is the ashram of the
German Academy of Traditional
Yoga. But how?
Because I also noticed
that many people who have
already lived in Ashram, that they
simply resigned their
apartment and then allowed
them to move to
Ashram.
It was like an entrance ticket.
That is it. Before she sits homeless on
the street, they will already
take her up, Liz thinks.
She wrote a letter
to Greg.
I ask for permission to
live in Ashram.
She puts bikini photos.
She wrote a letter
to her owner.
Read her apartment.
This is now my proof of
my loyalty to the group and
to the faith and to the Guru.
He will see that, it was like a complete
sacrifice to be able
to belong to it.
Will this resignation be your
ticket to the Ashram?
The end of his old life?
This is a soul captain.
Season 4 – Toxic Tantra.
A podcast by Christiane Havranek
and me, Katja
Peisen-Petersen.
8 of therapy.
When Liz wants to pull in
these ashrugs of the German
Academy for Traditional Yoga,
a person from outside
also gets that.
And she wants to prevent it.
Read the therapist.
She plays a major role
in Liz history.
Because she was always there.
At first she told
me that.
I thought it would be
a normal yoga school.
I was not worried
at all.
That is she. Amelia is warning.
Christiane meets her at dinner
in the kitchen of her practice,
after a full day of therapy
conversations.
Liz has released her from
her medical duty to keep silent
for this conversation, in reference
to the experience in the
yoga school.
This still impresses
me, as intelligence
is so outcast.
So that people who actually
possess judgment and intelligence
then get into such a
situation that it is
somehow lost.
This was the case with
Eve and Nathalie. It seems
a bit like these wise
women had
put off the button for
their common sense during
their time at the yoga
school.
Have you ever thought when
you listen to this podcast that I would
never have done that?
Would I look through that?
Why didn’t she
just say no?
The psychotherapist says it
can affect basically anyone.
Because the emotion is stronger.
Because sometimes you are at
points in life where you’d rather
follow your feelings than
be reasonable.
Maybe a bit
like in love.
When you ask it, the doubts
and the irritation
have always been there.
And the observation of what
is not true is then denied,
because the attraction
is greater and because
there are always
arguments that remove
doubts.
But Liz came out and
her therapist played
a crucial role in it.
We want to know from her
how she managed not to
lose reading.
I tried to hold them
for myself.
I didn’t put any pressure
at all and then said if
you don’t feel comfortable
with me, then that’s okay,
then you can report
if you want to
see me again.
And we also had
therapy breaks and I never
followed them.
She always came
back by herself.
If you know someone who is
in a destructive group or someone
who threatens to be dragged
into, don’t try to
speak against the group,
advises Amelie Wanschafe.
And I had to swallow it
very well in the time of Corona,
which I had all involved
and discussed
with so to speak.
I had
to control my
own attitude
or anger.
Liz has spoken of the apocalypse
more often and at
the same time has to
be issued a certificate
from a natural healing
doctor to avoid
wearing a mask.
Her therapist often felt
like he
was fighting a beast.
It is against what Liz apparently
has internalized in the yoga school.
What gave me superiority was, as
it were, this non-requiring.
And do not judge that I
said, as long as it is good
for you, then go there.
You have to decide.
This is different than in the
yoga school, where Liz felt like
he had to follow very precise
statements.
And I think that has helped
a lot to make her always
notice the difference.
With me, she has a choice.
A psychotherapist
for relatives.
offer to you. Have an open ear.
And most importantly, do not judge.
Because if your loved ones come
into doubt at some point, then
there is someone from the old world.
Someone you can turn to.
That person is you.
The therapist did not judge.
almost 3 years.
But there were situations, she
had to say something.
When she read about the
bikini photos, for example.
I was then convinced that
this was a highly
abusive structure and that
it was dangerous.
I have already taken
a clear position.
And I would now believe
I also recommend relatives
that if you get
told real border
crossing, so to speak,
that you can also
say, it can not
be.
Nothing can justify
that in any way.
Amelie Warning knew, since it
was buried somewhere under the
theories of demons, angels
and guru, read inner voice.
She wanted to strengthen her.
I recommended her
to inform.
That I explained to her again
how to check facts and
what serious press organs are.
And then she actually
did it.
And then, at some point, I
think, she has come across
a document or an article
about conspiracy theories.
And that, I think, the article
was even the turning point.
The whole thing takes place around
the time Liz wants to move
into the aschram.
In fact, she has the desire
for complete devotion.
On the other hand, the
doubts are growing.
And now we are at the point
in Liz history that decides
everything.
Liz talks to her therapist
about her dissent.
She confides to her that she has
resigned her apartment.
But then, with the help
of my therapist, I somehow
got back in touch with
my mind and it was so, okay,
we are now saving
my apartment.
It will read out.
My therapist helped me
once again to turn the
wheel and somehow reverse
it with the help
of a lawyer.
And that was really mega-
stressing, it was a week-
long stress without end.
We managed to
save the apartment.
Read not into the ashram.
I think if that had happened,
I don’t know I would
be gone now.
Read landed hard in her old life.
She has no friends, no fixed
job, no money, and
she is completely unsure
of what is right and what
is wrong. While Liz is about to
leave the yoga school,
Natalie is still in
the middle.
In April 2022 she will
go to Paris for the second time,
to her Guru.
This time it was super full.
Seven other girls were
there with me.
They are all in the
room with the books.
There they hear voices from
Bivolarus room.
So she remembers.
He was with another girl
in the room.
Suddenly he starts to completely
cling them together and
scream at them.
Soon after, the woman comes
in.
She tells me that Bivularo
sent her away.
He said your stomach needs to get
smaller, otherwise it won’t be possible.
Nathalie gets even more often to
know that Bivularo becomes loud.
When we do something wrong, it
completely disappears.
If she is in his room,
she must work, Nathalie
thinks.
She has to have different
sex positions.
Because they are always the same.
Bivularo explains it only
once in the initiation.
Not in the next meetings.
If you don’t do that,
there are problems.
Following the motto, oh my God,
you are not focused and so on.
But that’s why often when
we were there with other girls, we
were still practicing
in our room.
Okay, how do we now move from
one position to another?
foot here and foot there.
So that we do not do anything wrong.
So that he doesn’t
get us together
in any way.
Nathalie does not question
this behavior.
She knows why he is so.
If he screams at you, he will
do you something good.
So, when he screams at you,
he practically breaks your ego.
So spiritually, you
passed your test and that’
s all great.
At this visit her Guru
is pleased with her.
But then, at the next meeting,
in June 2022, it will happen.
There was your body, it
just didn’t play anymore.
It did not go.
Nathalie can no longer
have sex with the old man.
The moment I stopped
at the door, he was still
there, yes, if that happens
again, you have
to shave your
head.
Rice the head.
Nathalie has seen this repeatedly,
before in Bucharest.
Women with glitter.
Repentance for the mistakes made.
Many, many girls do this
in school, so get threatened
and then get through
it.
Some do this voluntarily,
because there is a
spiritual thought
behind it, but
it is so normal in
school.
Other women have told
us about it too.
And also that Bivoularo is constantly
ripping out.
Will Nathalie soon wear a gloss?
The long brown hair?
Never, she thinks it is.
She is driving back to the
first house, to the waiting women.
I also had a very
bad emotional
reaction.
After 24 hours I was
crying.
I couldn’t stop it either.
My body was completely over.
Where all the girls were, that
is all purification.
Everything comes out, then everything
comes out, then everything
is fine.
Then you come back, then everything
is better.
I was there, I will
definitely not come back.
I did not say that,
but I thought.
Nathalie is flying back to Bucharest.
With Jasper.
Then I told him everything.
I was then, I was always
there, this
was the last time,
and it’s all
terrible.
When Nathalie Jasper reveals
all this,
she can only think of one thing.
Holy fuck.
That is how it told us.
During his time at yoga
school, he heard stories.
Bivoularo is to initiate women spiritually
in Paris.
But he did not learn more about it.
It was always so strictly secret.
Now that Nathalie tells him
everything up to the smallest
details, Jasper is
just upset. And disgusted.
by Bivoularo. Jasper starts to
question everything.
The story told them why
Bivularo is hiding from
the authorities.
The teachings of the school.
Jasper ends up with the
other and he chooses
for Natalie.
And the two got off because they
now question everything, even
in conflict with their
yoga teachers.
And with her friends at school.
You want to confront your
guru with these doubts.
Natalie writes an email
to Gregoriam Bivularo.
The address is without
a clear name, with a Russian domain.
There must be someone in the
middle because his English is
not good enough, so someone translates
that there.
But he has to read those
emails because when I was
there, he also talked
to me about things I had
sent him in letters.
The failed meeting with Bivolaru
does not mention her in this
email.
She talks about problems she
has with some yoga teachers
from school.
She said that they did
not act as models in
her eyes.
I wrote that to him, sorry,
but when I look at people,
I don’t want
to stay in school.
If school makes me into such
a person, thank you, no.
I was really super honest
with what I
felt like at the
moment.
It doesn’t take long and
Nathalie gets a response.
One email, several pages long.
It is signed with the self
same.
The author writes in plural
majestatis, i.e. in we-form.
Natalie has to struggle through
this mail, because
everything is
a bit tricky and
swirling.
Natalie reads about Jesus,
Lucifer and the Apocalypse.
The self-same attests to their
psycho-emotional problems.
She has not passed certain
tests, is
under the influence of demons.
And you can do nothing more for them.
It’s like roulette, they
say. Rihanna is out.
Jasper also reads the
reply email from TheSelfSame.
Both of them can’t
believe what they read.
Where he meant I had
any psychological problems, there
I was so, well, I didn’t.
Both are now clear.
Would he be a real teacher?
So a spiritual guru or
whatever, he would help me.
Then he would say, okay rabbit,
come, this and that and that
and that you can do now and
then you’ll get better.
But he was not.
He was caught in his fever,
where he was completely
out of the room.
The two now want to know
how their guru will react
when he hears the truth?
Nathalie wrote to him.
It starts with the words Dear G.
She writes to him that she
was constantly afraid of
doing something wrong with him
and then being screamed.
In my view, it is not
yes if I am too afraid
to say no.
Natalie sends the email and
waits.
for a week.
Then theSelfSame answers.
Natalie should urgently
try to fight the demonic
states in her being.
She was to name the names
of the women who allegedly
were afraid when meeting him.
He never raised his
voice or screamed.
He sends a testimony to Natalie.
A German man wrote
it after meeting him.
Even after a long time,
she had no end to orgasms.
It is a divine pleasure.
He has more than 3,000 testimonies,
according to the mail.
Women who were apparently
filmed after the initiation,
recorded on tape, or
wrote letters to him.
I mean, if you imagine
every woman who goes there,
for every meeting she has
with him, making a testimony,
or he has been doing
it since, I don’t know
how many years, yes,
I can imagine.
Will Bivoularo be able to protect himself?
It’t be the only attempt,
because there is something else,
a kind of contract.
Natalie got it at every
meeting with Bivoularo
and she should always
return it signed.
But at the last visit,
she forgot it.
So I practically
took it with
me.
I found it cool, I was a little
like that then, oh, now I
have something, I have evidence.
The document is six pages long,
black and white, and above it
is a declaration.
The text begins with
the words I,
the signer, born on, in, declares
unlimitedly and by own will
the following.
So I find it interesting
what you are trying
to protect against.
You never had alcoholic
drinks.
That is bullshit.
I have never been raped, I
have never been trafficked, I
have never been blackmailed,
threatened, terrorized.
It’s amazing that it’s
just here, so it’s over all
common sense.
I can’t complain about anything
that may have traumatized me.
This letter, which
probably came up
after they received
charges.
So so.
And then, of course, they packed
everything the girl probably
said then into that note,
so according to the motto,
yes, that’s all not
happening.
So so.
All the accusations are not
with it, right?
We have shown this statement
to our lawyer at the Bavarian
Radio.
She says that the whole thing would
not be worth high proof in court.
Especially if Natalie
does not confirm her
information.
It is not a contract if
only one party signs it.
But one pressure against
many women who have
signed it, with their full
name, that is the declaration.
Just like the testimonies.
Just like the bikini pictures.
Shortly after her correspondence
with The Selfsame, Jasper
receives letters from
his friends from school.
Natalie is possessed by demons.
He should be careful of her.
This is the moment Natalie
finally goes out.
Together with Jasper. Both have themselves.
Natalie quickly
returns to her old
life.
Her best friend has been waiting
for her for a long time.
She always listened, was always
so totally non-judgmental.
And when I came out, she was
like that, hallelujah, I
was so afraid of you.
But it did them well because
it was really like when you
know that if someone is in
such a group and starts
shooting at it, then the person
stops running away.
And that’s why, she really
did well that she was
always there, always, yes, okay,
I listen to it. Yes,
everything is okay.
Only to keep in
touch somehow.
Jasper and Natalie are moving
to Thailand.
Natalie
uses her psychology study.
She has relationship coaching.
Jason too.
The opinions they represent today
are quite different from those
of the Atman Yoga movement.
It is about listening
to your own body.
Or seeing jealousy as something
that is just there and
cannot be trained away.
If my body says no,
that’s not my problem.
This is a problem with my
environment.
And because the guy
is not right and because
I don’t feel safe.
But that’s not where I
have to say, boah,
body, what’s wrong with you?
Nathalie, read and read, Eva
They are interviewed
because they want to warn.
Because the judiciary
cannot do anything.
In the end, they took
every step voluntarily.
Then comes the 28. November of 2023.
Gregorian Bivoularou is arrested
in France.
The Paris prosecutor’s office
is investigating rape, human
trafficking, abuse
of trust of protection
officers and abduction within
an organized gang.
Several houses are being searched.
In Bivoularo, 300,000 euros
were found in cash.
In France, the law
is different than in Germany.
Spiritual abuse can
thus be easier to prosecute.
There is even
a sort of sectary paragraph
and a state committee for the
supervision and
of sectarian exchanges.
When we hear of Bivolarus’ arrest,
we immediately report to the
outgoing women
we are in contact with.
They send us language messages.
I hope that now with the statements
in the background that
this is enough, he somehow...
First, to hold it for a lot longer.
Whether there is really
enough evidence for a conviction,
we don’t know now in March
2024, when we produce
this podcast.
Until then, the presumption of innocence is valid.
The best part would be if
all the other schools
could also go to
book.
It leaves no clue what now,
so to speak, breaks this
shit down in such a really
cool epic
domino effect.
Read Natalie and Eva,
they all follow our
reporting on the
bivular arrest.
You read that the German Academy
of Traditional Yoga writes about
the allegations against
Bivoularo?
You are not aware of such
witnesses that have
a connection to data.
And there are no cases of brainwashing,
manipulation and power abuse.
Read and Eve make these words angry.
Natalie is not surprised.
So you have it now or even
the German school stop right
now says yes we have nothing
to do with it,
we manipulate no
one and brainwashing
is not and so on.
I can see it
somewhere because the thing
is the people who write
this are manipulated.
This is not brainwashing,
of course.
So they do not see it.
When I was inside,
I didn’t see it either.
Natalie also thinks of the
many women that police have
found in their raids in
the shabby apartments.
In the media, yes, they
were released.
But the thing is,
the girls who were
there will not see
it mostly.
He is being pursued by the police.
That was part of the
story that they always
told us.
So I don’t think that
is somehow so now.
So, according to the motto,
okay, now I was released here
and now the subject of school is over.
Natalie still knows the school’
s mind world incredibly well.
This is where Misa, the
Romanian yoga school,
is in place. by 12.
In December, exactly
two weeks after Bivolarus’
arrest, in a press release
titled accusations
overcame the
media.
Where are the victims?
Misa writes
as a victim of a rape.
We talked about this
with Misa spokeswoman Cosmina
Oprah.
She tells us that she spoke
with some Romanian women who were
found by the police during
the raids in
the houses.
Some of these women, the press
spokeswoman tells us,
were traumatized, yes, but
because of
the way the French police
treated them.
The police acted extremely
aggressively.
It is the spiritual
communities that are the focus
of state persecution,
she tells us.
She is 100% sure that
Bivoularo is innocent.
If it was so bad, why have
thousands of people been
left in school for years?
We want to know from Cosmina
Oprah whether the houses
where the women stayed in
Paris are mixed-house houses.
No, she says.
She suspects that the houses
belong to private people, the
yogis provided to take
there some sort of spiritual
break.
Speaking of spiritual development.
We want to know
what is happening
at Bivolaru in
Paris.
We talked to some
yoga students.
They told us that they were
going into a kind of initiation
with Gagauian Bivoularo, which
was Tantric.
I have read it.
I read this
in the news.
Okay, if you said you should
explain what it was, then you should
be able to check it out.
That is the only thing I
can say.
So you say it exists
or not? No, no is no.
I do not know.
According to Misa, women
should bring evidence.
It is hard to give up
your phone first.
As Christiane added, some of
the women would have called
what happened to Bivoularo
abuse in retrospect, as
the press spokeswoman
answers.
What do they mean it was abuse?
They said they did something, they
were forced to do it, they
were not forced to do it, they
changed their minds.
What do you mean by abuse?
You say you were forced
to do something?
Would you have changed your mind?
The fact that people, you
know, realize after some years
that they were abused,
traumatized, whatever.
And only after someone else
is telling them like an expert.
These things are really
strange and not very familiar.
And in many, many times,
they are read wrong.
We want to know if she knows
of any yoga student who has
made love with Bivularo,
at an initiation.
We want to know if you
know that women were brought
to Paris from Romania, with
fishermen’s hats and sunglasses,
by poor people.
The official position of the Mieser –
we are not aware that something
like this is happening in Romania.
She doesn’t pretend to know everything
that’s happening in the world.
After Bivolarus’ arrest,
we publish an article
on BR24 and write about this
podcast being in work here.
Anyone who has any clues for
us may be happy to contact us.
And actually.
People are reporting.
They write that they also have
experience with the yoga
movement and with Bivolaru.
Almost all of them were with
the Germans
for traditional yoga.
In Munich, in Freiburg, in
Dresden, in Berlin. Their
experiences vary in length, but
their memories are
strongly intertwined,
even in details.
They tell us about cleaning
as karma yoga, bikini
photos, shakti
groups, women with shaved
heads, medicinal herbs.
One had a cancer-
affected girlfriend who did not get
treatment and died.
They tell us about brainwashing,
some
of them have received an
invitation from Bivolaru –
passed by a yoga teacher
or a yoga teacher.
One describes a conspiracy
meeting in the park – super
secret.
The trip to Bivolaru
itself did not do some
of them, others did.
More than 20 outbound
women, with whom we
alone had contact.
What does the German Academy of Traditional
Yoga say about this?
We have been waiting for a long
time for a response.
It is here in early March 2024.
The Chairman of
DATI wrote to Christiane
and she called me, of
course, immediately.
The mail is here.
I will put it up now.
He has one, so exactly,
he apologizes
again for taking it
so long now and here
are the answers.
For almost three months, there was
a relationship between us and
the Chairman of the DATI.
He is currently in Munich and here
is the headquarters of the association.
We would like to go through
him for an interview, but he
only wants to answer
us in writing.
It is six pages long, yes.
Christiane is looking for
the point that interests
us most.
Whether the data knows that
also the female students of them
went to Gregoriam Bivoularo
to Paris, for the so-
called initiation.
He writes very lapidary.
No, we are not aware of that.
There are some, say,
who call this backward
as abuse.
How do you evaluate it?
And then he simply says quite flat,
the Dati condemns abuse of protection
orders, rape, human
trafficking or deprivation
of liberty.
Like any other criminal
offence.
We feel that where it becomes
critical, the data
chairman is going to turn us out.
The Dati refers to being an
independent association and
not having any touch points too
poor except for some empty
content.
They are in the same
area, at the Atman.
He also said that every
offer is voluntary.
To clean the body.
Liz told us on the red ceiling
in the park that she
had become very thin in
the yoga experience.
The fast was extreme.
The data writes that we generally
discourage extreme cures.
Now, be careful, it is coming.
Our question is, according to our research,
there is a kind of ritual in
the Shakti groups or in the other.
for admission to an ashram.
The presentation of a bikini photo.
Is this correct?
There are no recording rituals
for any of the Dati events
and no photos are
required in any form.
Of course, ex-members explain
to us, it is not required,
but it is all voluntary.
Also with the allegedly
demonic series and films
that Liz has told us.
Each participant should decide
for himself, based on the principles
of the courses.
And the students should actually
keep certain course
content secret.
Not everyone is adequately
informed in the methods,
writes the data chairman.
The next sentence that comes,
I find it really rough,
because I have just recently
talked again with
several who have told me
the exact opposite.
And it was very credible.
The Chairman writes that there
are no meditations in our
events where participants
are to practice with pictures
of Grigorian
Bivoularo.
To practice?
So now, does it mean no one tells
you that you have to do that, but some
are volunteering to
meditate on Bivoularo photos?
We will send you an email
with requests, but
nothing comes back.
We would also like to talk
to the data chairman personally
on another topic, because there
is also room
for interpretation.
After our research, Dati
had the opportunity to
write messages to Gregorian
Bivoularo to get
advice from him.
The communication wasly
through yoga teachers
of the Dati.
Are you familiar with it?
The data does not offer such a thing.
Are the data yoga teachers not
part of the data?
Or is it a private
matter for the teachers?
Or no offer?
We are confused.
We hope to get a clear
and unambiguous
answer to
the last question.
Whether the data is known that their
participants sought advice from Bivoularo
in case of health problems
rather than going to the doctor.
The Dati stands for
the position that any
health problem should
be examined by a
doctor or health practitioner.
This is also stated in the
conditions of the association.
I find it extremely exciting
that the doctor and the therapist
are on an equal footing.
It fits well into the picture,
in any case.
All these questions and
more, of course, we also
asked Gregoriam Bivoularo.
We did not receive
any answers until the end
of the edition.
Neither by him nor by his lawyer.
The only thing we can
find about his position
is a French article.
In it we read that Bivoularo
said at the time of his arrest that
he was going to be a political
conspiracy.
He was a spiritual
master and the women loved
him in his home after
a step called initiation.
His lawyer is also quoted.
Bivolarus’ innocence
will be proved.
Liz has now done the first
preventive examinations.
Her chronic illness makes her
constantly worried
and she is worried that
she is now having consequences,
because at the time at yoga school
she was not at the regular
check-ups with the doctor.
Now I have chilled my
mind so much that I see
that these are all normal
people who just
do their job.
I finally managed to
make a date.
I have not been there
for two or four
years now.
She still lives with very little
money, gets food at the
table, makes it hard for groups.
Finding a fixed job
and getting along with your
colleagues is not easy
for them.
I was just really sharply
extremist and radical and on
the smallest things that were somehow
against my attitude, I
immediately started the
declarations of war and
immediately
somehow blown them everything
in the face.
At a consultancy, Liz learns that this
anger has many outgoers
from destructive groups
and she also learns that this
anger may be.
It is even important.
In her time at Dati,
Liz has always tried
to adapt to her group.
All the feelings that didn’
t fit in some way, she
meditated away.
The anger she feels
now comes from deep inside.
Your inner self, which
does not show my limits. If
I notice something is so
bad for me, it’s not okay
that I dare
to say that.
This is super important to me.
It is also important, in the consultancy,
to tell her that reading
is time.
But that is what makes her create.
Time is like
a race with time because
I am getting older.
People who are now in my
age, who have already
founded a house or family
somewhere.
So they
are really elsewhere.
But I am
still far away, so I am
not where others are.
And I have
had a lot of difficulty
getting more and more awareness
of this in the last
few months. And even
this huge pain, I can’
t change it anymore.
So it is now so.
And I have to do the
best of what remains
to me.
That is brutal.
So that’s something that
has been stolen from
one’s experience
as life.
18 is December of 2023.
Liz stands in front of the State
Criminal Office building.
She
breathes deep.
I really trembled without end,
I had trembling legs.
I could even I
actually wanted to prepare
super sharply and write texts
and so everything went
nothing.
I just had to go as
I am.
Your therapist is also present.
The two enter and meet a
official from the human trafficking
department.
I saw her and immediately
felt I could trust
her.
She is nice, she is
empathic, here I am sure.
That was such
a huge relief.
And then we really were
only three, so only women,
which also did well.
She gave me a lot of time
and space and I could tell
her everything.
I could finally tell
everything and I felt
like that, that’s why
I did it all now.
Liz tells about her
experiences at the German
Academy for Traditional Yoga.
About how she felt
pushed to take bikini
photos to join
certain groups.
The fasting challenges.
When I sat there, in that
chair, in front of that woman,
where I then told all
the details of what I experienced
there, and I started listening
to myself, and
so I realized, oh shit, that is
now somehow really true, so
that’s all really happened.
I was really sitting, and
that was real, so
I had hardly any strength.
I somehow with all my
strength somehow
squeezed out everything I remembered,
and it was that it really
isn’t easy.
Read continues to tell.
As they say, her therapist
was possessed by Satan.
That she was in mind, doctors
are demonic.
She wanted to put all
her money in herbs.
And then, after 2 hours, it
is ready.
It was like a feeling
of having run for a long time
and then finally managed
to get to the goal.
So, and then I have
somehow that whole package
that I always carried with me,
like such a huge mountain
that I always carried
alone, I could finally just take
where and say, okay, you
are the experts, I now
give you this mountain
of experiences that
I have in your hands
and then you can do
what you want.
Oh, you are not doing well.
Whether something comes out of
it, we do not know.
The presumption of
innocence also applies.
For Liz, this was a very
important moment.
At the end of the day, she says
again loudly and clearly that
she wants to make a statement.
When I said this phrase
out loud in this very large
building, it was
my personal victory.
This was the victory of my life.
That was my Mount Everest.
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Toxic Tantra is a podcast
by me Katja Peisen-Petersen
and Christiane
Havranek.
Thank you to Verena Nierle
and thank you to all who
were in the yoga movement
and had the courage to talk to us.
Graphic design by Anna Hunger.
Sound design by Christoph Brandner.
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Directed by Ron Schickler.
The author is Johannes
Badaro-Willmann.
Editorial, Pia
Dangelmayer, Till Ottlitz and
Sabine Winter.
Toxic Tantra is a production
of the editorial religion
and orientation.
The BR Research and
the BR Story team
for the Bavarian Broadcasting
2024.
We wanted to tell you
about a podcast from
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Mindfulness is about how to
get more mindful, healthier and happier
through life.
The creators and the podcasts
are presenting themselves.
Hi, hello, we are Dianne
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about what we can do every
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With mindfulness.
So that means being completely
in the here and now.
Even when we wander around, when
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Simply feel and be there.
So be here.
It is not so easy.
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somehow find solutions.
And then, Maihong, let’
s look carefully at what’
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I think you had a
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I had so much fun.
And behind the scenes I
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every attentive sequence
changes somehow my life
and I have also tried a lot
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we can carefully deal with
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with pain and also
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ourselves more carefully
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when then I
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Be careful because it makes us healthy.